It was you that inspired me to draw these diagrams Nate! Hopefully I'll get the time to finish my history of the Newbery Tardis in the not too distant future. 

T

Okay, the "mechanism" that was originally planned to rise from an iris type aperture of the console, was it meant to be encased in a true "hemisphere", or was it going to be something more akin to a "bell jar", like the ones that house ornate brass clocks?  Yes, I realize we don't know exactly was was going to be sealed withing the "glass"; I'm just asking about the shape of the "glass" itself.

Sincerely,

Bill

I know you love to tease us Tony!

Thanks for these! They are looking amazing!!!

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Aug 03, 2017, 06:34 pm
In each the four stories in which the wooden control room was used, the set was assembled in full, though the orientation of the console differed in each story (and, indeed it was actually rotated during a recording break in episode four of The Hand of Fear to allow the sequence where Tom Baker's head is inside the plinth to be recorded).

Contrary to popular belief, the wooden console was only ever fitted with one 'writing desk' - the way to tell which side the desk is fitted is to look at the plinth which had three panels which opened; two of the plinth's access panels were hinged on the left (as you face them) whilst the access panel under the 'writing desk' was hinged on the right. This explains why the console had to be rotated half way through episode four of The Hand of Fear i.e, so that Tom's face could be seen. (Had the console not been rotated, either Tom's head would have been hidden behind the opened access panel or the production team would have been forced to tape that sequence with the camera pointing towards the non-existent 'fourth wall' opposite the entrance steps!)

Over the course of Season Fourteen, the wooden console gained two additional control panels (it was only fitted with one in The Masque of Mandragora).

In The Masque of Mandragora and again in The Hand of Fear, the main entrance was fitted with two sets of 'brass' rails (two tall and two short), for The Deadly Assassin and The Robots of Death, the shorter two rails were omitted. In addition, in The Deadly Assassin, the previously multi-coloured 'stained glass' roundels were all fitted with red gels which were added over the top of the pre-existing 'stained glass' patterns.








(With thanks to Nathaniel King for inspiring me to draw these overhead diagrams.)

T

Quote from: redfern on Oct 04, 2019, 06:57 pm
Okay, the "mechanism" that was originally planned to rise from an iris type aperture of the console, was it meant to be encased in a true "hemisphere", or was it going to be something more akin to a "bell jar", like the ones that house ornate brass clocks?  Yes, I realize we don't know exactly was was going to be sealed withing the "glass"; I'm just asking about the shape of the "glass" itself.

Sincerely,

Bill

Bill,

From the Invision issue that I have that talks about the mecahnism that was supposed to rise out of the console it would have been akin to a brass armillary of some sort.

Also the issue mentions it would have been a dome and from that I imagine hemisphere and not belljar. 

Quote from: handofomega on Oct 05, 2019, 06:19 pm

Quote from: redfern on Oct 04, 2019, 06:57 pmOkay, the "mechanism" that was originally planned to rise from an iris type aperture of the console, was it meant to be encased in a true "hemisphere", or was it going to be something more akin to a "bell jar", like the ones that house ornate brass clocks?  Yes, I realize we don't know exactly was was going to be sealed withing the "glass"; I'm just asking about the shape of the "glass" itself.

From the Invision issue that I have that talks about the mecahnism that was supposed to rise out of the console it would have been akin to a brass armillary of some sort.  Also the issue mentions it would have been a dome and from that I imagine hemisphere and not belljar.

That's the impression I got from these posts.  However, I thought I'd ask for some clarification, just in chance anyone had learned any more definitive information.

I will merely note that to house something akin to a full armillary type "globe" within a true hemisphere, the brasswork frame would have to be a bit on the small side, leaving a lot of empty space to the sides.  To more evenly fill that volume, the armillary itself would need to be a hemispherical frame.  But for the armillary to remain a "globe" and still fill the glass enclosure, the transparent covering would be a bit more bell jar shaped than a true hemisphere, though not a tall slender one.

Sincerely,

Bill

Unless half the globe remained buried....

Quote from: redfern on Oct 08, 2019, 02:46 pm

Quote from: handofomega on Oct 05, 2019, 06:19 pm

Quote from: redfern on Oct 04, 2019, 06:57 pmOkay, the "mechanism" that was originally planned to rise from an iris type aperture of the console, was it meant to be encased in a true "hemisphere", or was it going to be something more akin to a "bell jar", like the ones that house ornate brass clocks?  Yes, I realize we don't know exactly was was going to be sealed withing the "glass"; I'm just asking about the shape of the "glass" itself.

From the Invision issue that I have that talks about the mecahnism that was supposed to rise out of the console it would have been akin to a brass armillary of some sort.  Also the issue mentions it would have been a dome and from that I imagine hemisphere and not belljar.

That's the impression I got from these posts.  However, I thought I'd ask for some clarification, just in chance anyone had learned any more definitive information.

I will merely note that to house something akin to a full armillary type "globe" within a true hemisphere, the brasswork frame would have to be a bit on the small side, leaving a lot of empty space to the sides.  To more evenly fill that volume, the armillary itself would need to be a hemispherical frame.  But for the armillary to remain a "globe" and still fill the glass enclosure, the transparent covering would be a bit more bell jar shaped than a true hemisphere, though not a tall slender one.

Sincerely,

Bill

Quote from: rassilonsrod on Oct 08, 2019, 02:49 pm
Unless half the globe remained buried....

Quote from: redfern on Oct 08, 2019, 02:46 pm

Quote from: handofomega on Oct 05, 2019, 06:19 pm

Quote from: redfern on Oct 04, 2019, 06:57 pmOkay, the "mechanism" that was originally planned to rise from an iris type aperture of the console, was it meant to be encased in a true "hemisphere", or was it going to be something more akin to a "bell jar", like the ones that house ornate brass clocks?  Yes, I realize we don't know exactly was was going to be sealed withing the "glass"; I'm just asking about the shape of the "glass" itself.

From the Invision issue that I have that talks about the mecahnism that was supposed to rise out of the console it would have been akin to a brass armillary of some sort.  Also the issue mentions it would have been a dome and from that I imagine hemisphere and not belljar.

That's the impression I got from these posts.  However, I thought I'd ask for some clarification, just in chance anyone had learned any more definitive information.

I will merely note that to house something akin to a full armillary type "globe" within a true hemisphere, the brasswork frame would have to be a bit on the small side, leaving a lot of empty space to the sides.  To more evenly fill that volume, the armillary itself would need to be a hemispherical frame.  But for the armillary to remain a "globe" and still fill the glass enclosure, the transparent covering would be a bit more bell jar shaped than a true hemisphere, though not a tall slender one.

Right, that, too!

I'm trying to stage a Poser render featuring this unused concept and right now, I have a full "globe" within more of a bell jar enclosure.  Not that I'm going with "speculated" accuracy anyway given I've made the core sphere of the armillary a green glowing transparent grid.

Sincerely,

Bill

This is an extract of an interview given by Barry Newbery concerning the wooden console room (which appeared in DWAS's Tardis magazine issue 11 and might or might not be of use):



T

Thank you, Mr. Farrell.  I believe I read that exact quote somewhere else upon this board.  I just wondered if something new had come to light.  I guess that's all we have.

Sincerely,

Bill

Thank you Tony. I was trying to figure out how they made those railings.

*desire to build this interior intensifies

Quote from: davidnagel on Oct 08, 2019, 08:06 pm*desire to build this interior intensifies

As a physical room like ScarfWearer did for the "altered" Sharp layout?  (Still getting the knack of using the designers' names)

Sincerely,

Bill

Quote from: redfern on Oct 08, 2019, 08:38 pm

Quote from: davidnagel on Oct 08, 2019, 08:06 pm*desire to build this interior intensifies

As a physical room like ScarfWearer did for the "altered" Sharp layout?  (Still getting the knack of using the designers' names)

Sincerely,

Bill

Yes! But more so to travel around to cons and things, because.. thats the thing to do nowadays.

Another question for Tony Farrell considering he's illustrated what can be considered the definitive plans of this set.  Of course, anybody else having the answer, please, speak up.

In the wall section that houses the "scanner" ("view screen"), how deeply recessed is that element?  The image linked here...

https://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8407.0;attach=144525;image

...only demonstrates how far that section "extrudes" from the wall sections with the roundels.  But it doesn't show how deep the scanner and it's edging sits.  It IS deeper than the roundel festooned wall sections, isn't it?  If there is a drawing that shows those dimensions, I must have missed it.

Sincerely,

Bill

Quote from: redfern on Jul 26, 2020, 12:03 amIn the wall section that houses the "scanner" ("view screen"), how deeply recessed is that element?  The image linked here...

https://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8407.0;attach=144525;image

...only demonstrates how far that section "extrudes" from the wall sections with the roundels.  But it doesn't show how deep the scanner and it's edging sits.  It IS deeper than the roundel festooned wall sections, isn't it?  If there is a drawing that shows those dimensions, I must have missed it.

Sincerely,

Bill

Does this help?



T