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Started by warmcanofcoke, Mar 26, 2019, 03:27 am

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warmcanofcoke

Mar 26, 2019, 03:27 am Last Edit: Mar 26, 2019, 03:35 am by warmcanofcoke
Spacecraft: Revelation of the Daleks

John Brace (Visual Effects)

Revelation of the Daleks 1985 [6Z] Season 23 Story 143

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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Aditional:
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Pity we didn't see this sequence more clearly when this was transmitted.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Mar 27, 2019, 04:07 pm #2 Last Edit: Mar 27, 2019, 04:21 pm by warmcanofcoke
Found a cool article about John Brace

https://www.herocollector.com/en-gb/Article/the-weekly-dalek-67

On a separate note:

Personally I think of this model as the Dalek Sports Car. Chrome grill in the front, smooth curves, detailing. I'm imagining the bowed out sides of the craft are so the Daleks inside can turn around without nicking or scratching their plungers.

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What do you guys think?
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

mverta

Mar 27, 2019, 04:46 pm #3 Last Edit: Mar 27, 2019, 04:48 pm by mverta
I think it has nothing in common with the Dalek aesthetic.  This is not unmistakably, instantly and recognizably, "Dalek."  It features organic, sweeping shapes and smooth contours; not ruthlessly utilitarian and menacing forms.  Would be good for some sea-based creatures, or slimy, bubbly aliens; insectoid...something along those lines.

warmcanofcoke

Mar 27, 2019, 04:52 pm #4 Last Edit: Mar 27, 2019, 04:53 pm by warmcanofcoke
Are you saying the Daleks would kill for a craft like that?  ;D

Could be that Daleks appropriate craft from the races they exterminate.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

mverta

Poor production design loves nothing more than to have fans rationalize it away.  And they will, too; such is love.  :)

tony farrell

Mar 27, 2019, 06:07 pm #6 Last Edit: Mar 27, 2019, 08:48 pm by Tony Farrell
Quote from: mverta on Mar 27, 2019, 04:46 pm
I think it has nothing in common with the Dalek aesthetic.  This is not unmistakably, instantly and recognizably, "Dalek."  It features organic, sweeping shapes and smooth contours; not ruthlessly utilitarian and menacing forms.  Would be good for some sea-based creatures, or slimy, bubbly aliens; insectoid...something along those lines.


I can see where you're coming from regarding the 'utilitarian' elements of Dalek design:

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Whilst it would make sense, if you were relaunching them in 2005, to have a Dalek style or aesthetic, I'm not sure - from the photos above - that we can say that this is something that any previous production team had actually stuck to.

During the Hartnell era, Dalek interior architecture remained consistent (largely because many set elements were reused and only slightly redressed between each appearance and many stories shared the same designer):

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Once you get to the Troughton era however, anything goes:

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Don't get me wrong, I love Derek Dodd's designs for "Power of the Daleks" especially - to bring us back to the subject of spaceship exteriors - the Dalek's Capsule:

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At eighteen feet long, even now, it's an impressive design and - to return to Mike's point - it is utilitarian and menacing. However, it cannot be said to be representative of a design which says "Dalek"; none of their ships looked the same...

So, set against that background, is the Revelation Ship really so inconsistent compared to what went before or came afterwards?

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If it is inconsistent, I'd suggest it is because of the yellow and red colour-scheme; Dalek ships do seem to be mono-chrome - whether that be silver or (post 2005) bronze. I don't think it can be said that it's inconsistent with Dalek design because it has curved surfaces either; so too did this four foot diameter, six foot long masterpiece:

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Where I do agree with Mike regarding the ship from "Revelation" is that it would be better suited to an underwater environment where streamlined shapes are important; in the vacuum of space, there's no reason for a ship to be streamlined - if you're competent enough to build an interstellar craft (and want to make it suitable for landing) you'd have the where-with-all to make it capable of a controlled descent into a planet's atmosphere without the need for a heat-shielded, aerodynamic hull.

Yes, the ship from "Revelation" lacks menace. I think that's partly down to the design (and slightly odd colour-scheme) but is also due to its scale - that's its real problem; its simply too small to be impressive. However, I'm not really sure that a Dalek ship has a particular aesthetic....   

Who was it who said that "change is the only constant"?  Maybe the Daleks periodically get the decorators in! :)

T

Cardinal Hordriss

Quote from: mverta on Mar 27, 2019, 05:20 pm
Poor production design loves nothing more than to have fans rationalize it away.  And they will, too; such is love.  :)


For instance lol...

What if it's designed for higher speeds so looks a bit sporty shaped? Not for wind resistance of course. The Daleks wouldn't have wanted to waste any time getting to Necros in case Davros escaped.
I speak to you from the final days of Gallifrey. I am the past you have forgotten. You are the future I will not live to see...

ciderman

I tend to think of the Dalek ships in resurrection and revelation as being stolen so as to avoid detection and blame for Davros being released from prison and Necros etc. That's why there is no Dalek control noise in resurrection
I rationalize this or else I wouldn't sleep at night!

warmcanofcoke

Lifeforms have been exterminated. Spaceship has been aquisitioned.

Uploading audio file to the intercom system.

Play audio.

( Dalek pulsing beet is heard all through the ship. )

On to Necros, maximum speed.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

ciderman

Boop Boop...Boop Boop... Boop Boop...

Cardinal Hordriss

I hope Master Replicas give us models of the ships from Revelation and Resurrection. Fingers crossed.
I speak to you from the final days of Gallifrey. I am the past you have forgotten. You are the future I will not live to see...