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Daleks buy Cylon Ships?

Started by Cardinal Hordriss, Dec 14, 2020, 08:05 pm

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Cardinal Hordriss

The ship to the right of the Daleks is a Cylon Raider. I like it because now I have a model Dalek ship lol. I wonder if it's meant to be bigger than the Cylon Raider which seats 3 humanoids.

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This is not the first time the Daleks have used Cylon designs as during the Time War they used a vessel very similar to a saucer from a Cylon Basestar.

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warmcanofcoke

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Hopefully this larger image will prove useful.
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Cardinal Hordriss

I'm surprised they can get away with using the image of the Cylon raider. With the popularity of the original and new Battlestar Galactica series' plus they've released merch of it, it's not exactly going to fly under the dradis. The design must be copyrighted right?
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davidnagel

Well it's a little similar...
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Cardinal Hordriss

Dec 16, 2020, 10:19 pm #4 Last Edit: Dec 16, 2020, 10:26 pm by Cardinal Hordriss
Well they've changed the shape of the cockpit but it's still obviously the Cylon design. I wonder if they did that to make the size of the ship more ambiguous.
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Volpone

Dec 17, 2020, 01:23 am #5 Last Edit: Dec 18, 2020, 03:40 am by Volpone
I was thinking it was just very similar, because the classic raider doesn't have such pronounced cutouts for the guns, but it looks like the "old" raiders from the "Blood & Chrome" Webisodes are pretty close to this. 

That said, I guess it isn't that different form Thee Olde Dayes, when they'd use BSG practical effects in any number of low budget sci-fi movies.  The botanical ship in BSG was the "Valley Forge" from the film "Silent Running," etc.  [Makes sense that someone would reuse CGI models in a similar way.]
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

redfern

I had to expand the image to examine the cockpit "canopy", but my query was verified.

That is a "near enough" model by Petipet, a vendor from DAZ.

https://www.daz3d.com/starship-cyclone

It's one of those items that is supposedly different enough to avoid litigation from the IP owners...until such time the entertainment creators decide otherwise.  The telltale difference is the "canopy".  The "real" Cylon  saucer has louvered slats protecting the cockpit.  Petipet's knockoff has more conventional "panes" of "glass".

Sincerely,

Bill

Cardinal Hordriss

That's really interesting.

I think this ship must be at least slightly bigger in order to accommodate at least 1 Dalek pilot but i still think it could be a flight deck/observation area like on the saucer in 2150 A.D.
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Cardinal Hordriss

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warmcanofcoke

Feb 23, 2021, 02:08 pm #9 Last Edit: Feb 23, 2021, 02:14 pm by warmcanofcoke
This isn't the first time cover art may have barrowed elements.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Cardinal Hordriss

Spacedock! Actually the ship in the foreground is a bit like the Praetor II Battlecruiser from Star Wars.
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fivefingeredstyre

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Feb 23, 2021, 02:08 pmThis isn't the first time cover art may have barrowed elements.
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Quite a few of Chris Achilleos Target covers "Borrowed" from other artwork. Auton Invasion immediately springs to mind, but there are other cases as well

russellsuthern

If you're gonna borrow, borrow from the best!

One might argue that Dr Who has a long history of borrowing from other sources, just look at half the scripts...

I think it was Terrance Dicks who said, "We always had great ideas, they just weren't necessarily always OUR ideas...!!   :)  "


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Russell

Volpone

1) I'm not going to look it up because I'm afraid I'll find out it's an Urban Myth, but "Good artists copy.  *Great* artists *steal*."  -Pablo Picasso. 
2) On a related note someone notable like Shakespeare once said something along the lines of that there were only 2 or 3 stories and everyone kept recycling them.  For that matter, a lot of Shakespeare's plays were just retellings of older tales. 
3) I've been on a nuBSG jag lately, and it's fun to spot the bits they stole from other stories.  There are plots and concepts but maybe my favorite is when the criminal terrorist political prisoner Tom Zarak (played by the Apollo actor from the original series) becomes a...councilman?...and ticks off President Roslin.  Earlier in the episode there was a question of whether she'd shake his hand (which was actually lifted from MidEast peace talks, IIRC) and she kisses him on the cheek.  They meet again and she says "Don't worry, I won't kiss you" and he replies "Pity, because I shaved especially close with the anticipation of getting smacked by you."  This is lifted almost word-for-word from the 1970s George C. Scott movie "Patton," where Patton meets Field Marshall Montgomery in Sicily. 
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

cobalt

Quote from: Volpone on Feb 24, 2021, 02:19 pmOn a related note someone notable like Shakespeare once said something along the lines of that there were only 2 or 3 stories and everyone kept recycling them. 

That's one of the first things you learn in any writing course:

Man against Man
Man against Nature
Man against self