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Cardinal Hordriss

Oct 20, 2018, 05:16 pm #31 Last Edit: Oct 20, 2018, 05:19 pm by Cardinal Hordriss
Quote from: Scarfwearer on Oct 16, 2018, 11:21 am
I think the 'dimensional bridge' between the Tardis exterior and interior has never made a lot of sense from a physics point of view. Consider the previous version and ask yourself where the light from the windows was supposed to be coming from: why the front windows were brightly lit yet the Tardis interior was fairly dark (and orange), yet in The Girl Who Waited we could see Amy through them. And why were the side and back windows lit at all?

It's just one of those mysteries. This latest version is non-sensical in a new way but arguably no worse that what the show started with in 1963.


I just assumed the light visible through the windows is part of the illusion of the exterior and has nothing to do with the interior. The classic series started with a similar mismatch which we saw return in Twice Upon a Time, the interior doors opening directly on the exterior. All the more confusing as from the exterior characters still within the ship interacted with the police box doors (the smacked bottom line in TUAT). This was later resolved with the black space between the interior and exterior doors. The separation between interior and exterior doors was important as it explained how the exterior could be "infinitely variable" without constant changes to the interior and exemplified the separation between the interior and exterior dimensions. Since that era it would seem the TARDIS has given up on ever changing again. With all this in mind I would view the police box interior section of the console room as a novelty on the part of the TARDIS and is not in fact the interior of the box we see from the exterior after all "...only the exterior of the TARDIS exists as a real space time event."

I'm sure their are arguments to the contrary but I just felt it was worth pointing out that the new design and how the interior and exterior interact or don't on this new design are not beyond established precedent.
I speak to you from the final days of Gallifrey. I am the past you have forgotten. You are the future I will not live to see...

warmcanofcoke

Oct 20, 2018, 05:31 pm #32 Last Edit: Oct 20, 2018, 05:47 pm by warmcanofcoke
Quote from: watcher on Oct 17, 2018, 11:38 am
Lots of details in this vid of the new console!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoLc-Yauepo

I'll leave it to someone else to take screen grabs from it cause I'm rubbish at that lol

I can identify one component though, a "Watts & Sons" tribrach from an old theodolite. I think we have one here at work somewhere...


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Tardis 042.jpg There are at least two of these identical hourglasses on the console.
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End of part 1
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 20, 2018, 05:54 pm #33 Last Edit: Oct 21, 2018, 01:37 am by warmcanofcoke
Part 2:
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Tardis 053.jpg Just next to Jodi's Boots is that reminiscent of an 1980s roundel again.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

galacticprobe

Oct 20, 2018, 06:02 pm #34 Last Edit: Oct 20, 2018, 06:05 pm by galacticprobe
Quote from: thecloisterbell on Oct 18, 2018, 11:45 pm
So I think I've got a part ID, or at least a partial one anyway. It's of this bit here:

Near as I can tell it's one of these:

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Here's the area in question in full-size image, cropped to focus on that area, and lightened a bit to bring out more details:
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I can't quite see the resemblance between this part of the console and the control/device pictured. (Of course that could always be my stanky old wizzard eyes. Still waiting to hear what others think.)

Quote from: thecloisterbell on Oct 18, 2018, 11:45 pm
Perhaps a line of investigation?

Definitely! :D We always investigate TARDISy bits to find out what they are, and whether they're ready-made repurposed items, or custom-made ones.

Also, a big "Thank you" to Nate and everyone who's posting all of those reference images.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Cardinal Hordriss

Great pics.

I'd say the crystals are based on selenite. Couldn't find a smoothed down one but -

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I speak to you from the final days of Gallifrey. I am the past you have forgotten. You are the future I will not live to see...

galacticprobe

Oct 22, 2018, 10:55 pm #36 Last Edit: Oct 22, 2018, 10:56 pm by galacticprobe
Quote from: dragonfrosting on Oct 21, 2018, 11:33 am
I can't really see a microscope being functional but at least the console won't be as barren in the future.


The concept art for the 2005 console had a microscope on it (even though the built console didn't). That said, the War Doctor's console in "The Day Of The Doctor" did have a microscope on it.

A microscope could be very functional if they placed it right. Put it on a bright part of the console panel, remove the reflective mirror that's supposed to toss light up into the microscope (which never worked all that well on any microscope I've ever used), and have the light from the console panel go straight through the slide into the scope. Fully functional.

Of course, they also have microscopes now with their own light source, so you don't have to rely on a good ceiling light and that fiddly mirror to get light up through the slide. You just plug in the power cord, or make sure the scope's got good batteries and switch on the light. Then you could mount the microscope anywhere on the console so it's comfortable to view into.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

timewomble

Oct 25, 2018, 11:44 am #37 Last Edit: Oct 25, 2018, 12:03 pm by timewomble
I suspect the roundels are made out of something like EVA foam, maybe laser cut? They have some thickness to them but they're not wood. These photos show where the material has flexed. In the second photo you can also see where the rebate on one arm hasn't been fully tucked in behind the hexagon back.

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I reckon that where we see the roundels edge on there is a rigid hex frame (wood?) with a foam mat front.

Also, I think that the roundels on the back wall are larger than the roundels closer in. We can see that on one of the hexes on the back wall it's bottom edge is almost as wide as the police box, but comparing the Doctor's height to the roundels closer in it looks like there are more of them, so they must be smaller.

You could make a Roundel from a 60x60cm EVA floor tile, cut into a hexagon with three lens shaped holes. Then you would take another tile and cut it into a three-legged shape. You'd need to keep the proportions correct so that the leg size and shape would match if overlaid on intersection of three such carved hexagons, or - looking at the photos - perhaps *slightly* smaller than that. Then lay the three-legged piece over the center of the Roundel and tuck the ends behind. You would probably need to cut a rebate onto the leg ends (as can be seen in the second photo above) and possibly cut a rebate into the back of the hexagon to receive the legs. Heat seal the whole thing before assembly. Glue the parts together and then prime/seal with something like several coats of plasti-dip before painting.

tony farrell

Oct 25, 2018, 12:54 pm #38 Last Edit: Oct 25, 2018, 01:00 pm by Tony Farrell
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Oct 20, 2018, 05:31 pm

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I think this is the same 'hexagonal' as was used in the 50th Anniversary story and again in Twice Upon A Time. The only difference is that it has been cast in clear plastic rather than the white plastic previously used and (obviously) they've omitted the 'raised' sides which gave the original versions depth i.e., which caused them to stand proud of the wall(s).

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douglas442

Oct 29, 2018, 01:58 am #39 Last Edit: Oct 29, 2018, 03:59 am by douglas442
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Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 18, 2018, 08:44 pm

The floor is lava!

Dino.


But... wait!... aren't lava pools usually typical of the standard sort of decor to be found in villain lairs??:

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( Pierre, the evil mime-boss assassin, in a cut-scene from one of my favorite inspirational resources, 2002's "NOLF2: A Spy in H.A.R.M.'s Way" )

But, I digress. So... let me see, then, if I can suggest some sources on a couple of the console control items pictured, so far, in this thread. One of the interesting things about this console design, I suppose, is the unusual abundance of pneumatic components. As it happens, I've been collecting a bunch of that kind of stuff for my own project, for awhile now. So first, then, lets consider the makeup of the "holo-TARDIS" device:

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There are three visible features that would seem to give this one away. First is the black band seen fitted around the cylindrical portion just below the hologram. This is likely a rubber gasket or O-ring, for a pressure seal. Second is the hole seen on the block-shaped section, just beneath the above. Probably an air outlet port that normally has an an additional connector, for tubing, installed. Last is the visible, though partially obscured, cylindrical extension below that... which appears to be capped with a control knob or shaft. Consequently, what I think we have here is... one of these ( no... not an electron ram... ):  

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Here I am, holding my own ( obsolete ) version of one of these things... which just happens to be an inline adjustable pressure regulating valve, plus a filter/moisture trap for cleaning up the airflow from a compressor. And, in this case... as well as in how the console designers used it... I am, of course, holding it upside-down. That is, as opposed to how it's supposed to be oriented in normal usage.

That's because the little tapered projection seen at the very top ( or bottom ) is a liquid draining-valve. - Aha!! But maybe it was just this bit that gives us a little insight into why they may have used one of these pneumatic-regulator-filter-traps like this... perhaps it's a peek into the minds of professional set designers, and how they think!

Someone may have looked at a somewhat larger ( and probably also obsolete... so good luck in finding another one just like it ) version, and said to themselves:

" Hey! The plastic bit on this weird thingy looks just like the TARDIS!... Well... it's a cylinder instead of a box... and it's colorless plastic instead of blue-painted wood...... but it's got the little lanterny thingy on the top... and that's what really counts!"

And there you have it! Creativity in action!

Now, then... so what's it supposed to be for? A chameleon-circuit accessory for representing the state of the outer shell? That would be kind of useless... given that the outside hasn't changed all that much in two-thousand years. So... how about a function related to what they built it from. A filter, or trap, for keeping nasty stuff... huon particles, or something like that... out.

Yikes! It's late and Babylon 5 is on Comet!

I'll finish this with the other piece ( and... maybe... some commentary? ) later.

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"Time can paint the Treetops with Colors of the Rainbow... but you cannot find the End, no matter how you try." -Kate Wolf

"... and I find myself on the Mountainside, where the Rivers change direction, across The Great Divide." -Kate Wolf

fivefingeredstyre

Oct 29, 2018, 12:28 pm #40 Last Edit: Oct 29, 2018, 12:49 pm by Scarfwearer
Nice catch, I was wondering if it was part of a tape head drum assembly from an old VHS machine (mainly because the TARDIS model is spinning). The black line you say could be an O ring seal, might also be the division point where the rotating head meets the static body.

deafeningsilence

I think Styre's right, look at the left edge, there's a clear divide between the...spinny top bit and the static bottom part. The penlight? illuminating the mini Tardis also highlighted the gap.

douglas442

Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am #42 Last Edit: Oct 30, 2018, 03:06 am by douglas442
Quote from: fivefingeredstyre on Oct 29, 2018, 12:28 pm
Nice catch, I was wondering if it was part of a tape head drum assembly from an old VHS machine (mainly because the TARDIS model is spinning). The black line you say could be an O ring seal, might also be the division point where the rotating head meets the static body.



Perhaps... but after having dismantled half-a-dozen-or-so VHS VCR's, to salvage components, I've found that most of the tape heads always look pretty much like this:

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Note the tilt in the mounting and construction of the rotating head. This is because of the helical scanning method that stores information on the cassette in diagonal stripes across the tape.

Admittedly, the lighting in the pictures makes it a little hard to tell... but mostly, I also based my assumption on the fact of the heavy over-usage of obviously pneumatic and hydraulic components all over the console. Plus, the body of the thing looks like cast metal. A little too crude for a precision scanning tape head.

Now... heh... Betamax tape heads I know nothing about. But, in conclusion, assuming that the spinning holoTARDIS is not CGI ( I haven't actually seen any episodes yet ), it could also be that the spin motor is mounted inside of the box itself. That would then make it possible to include a circuit which spins the semi-transparent box when it's illuminated!

... or...... granted... the top cylindrical portion does look... slightly... suspiciously... a little bit like a stepper. Retrofitted onto the top ( or on the bottom ) of a regulator/filter unit, of course! Certainly, a photo from a different angle, showing whether that apparent projection on the bottom ( or top ) is indeed a regulating valve knob, would help a lot.

... Well, anyway. After watching Babylon 5 ( haven't been a regular viewer since the original broadcast run ) last night, and slopping together a marginally edible dinner, I was too tired to continue my post. Ah!... but... at least it's nice to realize that I still have a thing for Ambassador Delenn!

Moving along! The next console piece to consider is this bit:


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Ok! So this is a relatively simple one. I first figured it was either a water-level gauge ( such as might be used in a boiler assembly ) or a flow-meter. Turned out to be an easy choice... especially since a closer look reveals some markings on the apparently graduated bit of transparent liquid filled tubing:

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Of course, it's hard to make out ( and easier to see on expanding the original image ), but it helps if one already knows what to look for. Three lines are visible. In the middle line, "flow" is obvious... even without expanding the picture. Then, one can just barely make out the word "meter" following it. The first word on that line is much harder to see, but the last four letters look, to me, to be something like "sfer"... so "transfer" perhaps?

The top line looks like a model number. Could be 1C1475, or AC1475, or 10C4475... it would help to know how the manufacturer specifies it's products.

Fortunately, this is vaguely visible in the bottom line. There, I can just make out "Fischer"! Including what might be a bold type "F" which I think was characteristic of early Fischer logos ( assuming it doesn't look that way just because of the curve of the tube ). The word following that could, I suppose, be "Company" or "Corporation".

Anyway... great!... because Fischer ( usually as "Fischer & Porter" ) makes ( or made... these days... ) a lot of this kind of stuff. Though, obviously, this is a long obsolete piece of equipment... before "Fischer" got together with "Porter" perhaps. So,unfortunately, a quick browsing of ebay and google did not turn up anything for me, except for pieces like this:

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Note the transparent shielding placed around the graduated tube... for protection, just in case the boiler explodes... or something like that. Which, I think, is also faintly visible in the console photo above. Also note that... contrary to what we have here... these things are usually mounted... vertically!

I do have an old Fischer catalog around here... somewhere. It figures that now I can't seem to find it, just when I need it.

Anyway, some may have noticed that my tone concerning this console design was not exactly hog-wild with enthusiasm. For now, let's just say that it's... well... not quite... all that I had hoped that it might be. But, that it does have it's good points. In explanation, I did want to make a few detail specific comments, either here or in another thread... but perhaps later.

For now, I have to run over to Orchard Supply Hardware's Massive Going-Out-Of-Business Sale ( 90% off on brass stuff! Their unemployment is my gain! ), ending soon, to pick over it's last remaining dregs and bones... sorry.

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"Time can paint the Treetops with Colors of the Rainbow... but you cannot find the End, no matter how you try." -Kate Wolf

"... and I find myself on the Mountainside, where the Rivers change direction, across The Great Divide." -Kate Wolf

galacticprobe

Oct 30, 2018, 06:31 am #43 Last Edit: Oct 30, 2018, 06:44 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: douglas442 on Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am
The top line looks like a model number. Could be 1C1475, or AC1475, or 10C4475...

Well, to my stanky old wizzard eyes, it looks more like 4C1475. The number to the left of the C, and to the left of the 7, look the same: like, they have the same shape. I can't see any "0" or "O" between the first number and the C, and the number to the right of the C looks different than that to the left of the C. So my vote is for 4C1475.

Quote from: douglas442 on Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am
I can just make out "Fischer"! Including what might be a bold type "F" which I think was characteristic of early Fischer logos (assuming it doesn't look that way just because of the curve of the tube). The word following that could, I suppose, be "Company" or "Corporation".

I'm leaning towards "Company". When you compare the words "Fischer" and "Company", and look at the length of the words on the tube, even though it's hard to make out what the full wording says, "Fischer Company" fits better with the word lengths than does "Fischer Corporation".

Quote from: douglas442 on Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am
I do have an old Fischer catalog around here... somewhere.

"Foresight. You never know when these bits and pieces will come in handy. Never throw anything away, Harry."

Quote from: douglas442 on Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am
It figures that now I can't seem to find it, just when I need it.

"It's a mistake to clutter one's pockets, Harry." ;) ;D

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For now, I have to run over to Orchard Supply Hardware's Massive Going-Out-Of-Business Sale (90% off on brass stuff! Their unemployment is my gain!), ending soon, to pick over its last remaining dregs and bones... sorry.

A bit vulturistic, but if you don't jump on it, someone else will and you could miss out on some very handy - not to mention cool - items.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

douglas442

Oct 30, 2018, 10:52 pm #44 Last Edit: Oct 30, 2018, 11:54 pm by douglas442
Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 30, 2018, 06:31 am

Quote from: douglas442 on Oct 30, 2018, 12:02 am
For now, I have to run over to Orchard Supply Hardware's Massive Going-Out-Of-Business Sale (90% off on brass stuff! Their unemployment is my gain!), ending soon, to pick over its last remaining dregs and bones... sorry.

A bit vulturistic, but if you don't jump on it, someone else will and you could miss out on some very handy - not to mention cool - items.

Dino.



Well... I tried not to be too greedy. I can't afford to be, for one thing, but... I did manage to snap up a whole pile of nice brass valves with handles ( both gate valves and needle valves ) at 80% off! Heh heh heh... and I know just where I'm going to be placing those! Plus that, I also got a bunch of hobby brass tubing pieces, and other miscellaneous hardware, in multiple sizes!

I am going to miss Orchard Supply, though. It was my nearest pilgrim's path to frequently visiting the Hardware Store.

By the way... that wonderful quote from Tom Baker has long since become the basic philosophy of my life!

But, for now, let's switch to the "One-Step-Forward-and-Two-Steps-Back" Department:...

... as in... Ooops!... I was wrong.

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It seems that I misread the three clues ( well, four... if including the "inspirational" bit ) that I had spotted, and so was simply lead astray by appearances. It does happen, sometimes. Or a lot. Anyway, a closer examination of some of the images posted in this and another thread revealed the following details:

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"24V" and "12W", or 24 volts at 12 watts. So... yes... it seems that the top part is indeed a motor. Possibly a Brushless DC, or a Stepper ( such as pictured below, with a shaft extending from both end of the case ) for very fine computer control of it's movement, and some consequent interesting strobe lighting effects.

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As for the rest of that whole assembly, it kind of looks like they pieced it together. The motor is likely mounted on some type of pillow block, with a couple of mounting brackets to attach it all to the console. The motor's top shaft holds the TARDIS piece, and the bottom shaft is extended below, with the block, to where it's capped with a knob.

Then, possibly, the knob is there simply to allow easy hand adjustment, and is not a regulator valve control at all.

Oh, well... so as Gilda Radner's "Emily Litella" character used to say:

"Nevermind."

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"Time can paint the Treetops with Colors of the Rainbow... but you cannot find the End, no matter how you try." -Kate Wolf

"... and I find myself on the Mountainside, where the Rivers change direction, across The Great Divide." -Kate Wolf