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Started by Volpone, May 19, 2018, 06:28 am

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Volpone

This is a bit of a placeholder.  More to come.  The First Doctor is in many ways my favorite Doctor.  Were it not for his companions; Susan, Ian, and Barbara in particular, he could have easily become The Master--he looks out for himself, particularly in the early serials, and really isn't a very likable character initially.  And I kind of have the body type for him.  But not quite.  And getting the costume just right is about impossible--at least cost prohibitive.  So I settled on being the Young First Doctor--maybe before traveling with Susan.  So I put together an outfit that has very little to do with the onscreen #1 and later a decent approximation. 

But it nagged at me.  So I'd always keep an eye out for "striped waistcoats" and "shawl collar car coats" (or similar search terms).  I eventually found a very nice vest from Jos. A. Bank that was on closeout but I held off on buying it until I got all my chores done--as a reward to myself.  When the price was down to $5.99, I should have got it anyway, but I didn't and subsequently missed it.  Instead I settled on a vest from "Historical Emporium." 

Hurm.  There's only 1 Website that has an accurate measuring guide--Todd's Costumes.  If it says 32" waist, it's going to have a 32" waist, and God help you if you're used to American size charts fudging a bit.  Having suffered in tight waistcoats for years, I dutifully followed the advice of "Historical Emporium's" size chart and--like my Cabela's Safari Shirt--I wound up with something baggy and shapeless.  Really, their model pages should have tipped me off.  And it has lapels--which The Doctor's didn't have.  But the worst lapels.  They end at the shoulder.  Just disappear into the back of the vest instead of going around like a lapel.  Washing the bugger in "HOT" with a "HOT" dry helped shrink it a bit, but it's still awfully baggy. The one good thing is that it is long enough that I can wear my grey houndstooth check Dockers with it--but the Prince of Wales pattern thrift store trousers look better.  To be fair, I've lost about 15-20# on my current job, so even my painfully tight clothes hang loose now, so maybe this vest will come in handy when I'm doing less physical stuff.   

I also got a detached collar from them.  As a Marine officer, our dress blues have a shirt under the coat--buttons, French cuffs, and a band collar.  Then there's a detached collar.  The shirt is set up to take the collar, but the way you wear it is you attach the collar to the inside of the coat collar.  Confusing?  Probably.  Well this collar is very stiff--even without starch.  The one from ...Emporium is...disappointing.  It's basically just a cotton collar with no structure.  I'm going to have to starch the bejeezus out of it.  And the front buttonhole is too small to button into the shirt.  You're supposed to buy some kind of "collar stud."  A scissors remedied that (although I'll have to go back and stitch the revised buttonholes). 

I'll keep my Wal*Mart blue Metabelis ring* and I added the Rassilon signet ring.  Sizing is about dead-on.  It was a bit snug on my left (dominant) hand today, but it fits that hand nicely right now.  Fit the pinkie during the day and was loose on that finger tonight.  I dabbed a bit of black shoe polish into the crannies to make it more impressive.  Quite pleased with the results. 

I also got some new "?" cufflinks after the old ones broke.  Actually 1.  The other 1 is a "*", but I couldn't find a pair anymore.  It's OK.  I plan to use it with a mismatched cufflink I already have that basically looks like Marine captain's bars with a blue crystal in it.  But I'll probably keep that with the other outfit. 

So now all I'm waiting for is the coat.  I didn't find a shawl collar, but I found a nice lightweight (I hope) coat with very subdued lapels and no breast pocket.  Double breasted.  It's an overcoat, but modern suit coats are much shorter than Hartnell's so I'm going with this.  We'll see how it turns out. 

The last problem is the hair.  I'm getting quite nice 1st Doctor hair.  But it's getting a bit shaggy for the Real World.  It may be awkward to explain to The Boss why I look so unkempt while waiting for a coat to arrive, so I may have to get it cut this weekend. 

Anyway, for now, to recap, here's a couple old variations on my --OH!  The TIE!  Turns out a Japanese schoolgirl cosplay tie is about the best you can do for an off the shelf 1st Dr. tie.  Too long and too skinny, but I have a plan for addressing that. 

Anyway, here's a couple pictures of the 1.0 version of this outfit.  Maybe 1.0 and 1.1.  :


*In my personal canon, The Doctor has been to Metabelis 3 before.  Blue Metabelis crystals have hypnotic properties.  The Doctors's ring has hypnotic properties.  Bob's your uncle.  color.JPG20160505_204036.jpg
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

Davros Skaro

Very nice outfits, you look good in them.

Any chance of seeing your ring up close or if you have put it on here with its own post, where it is, please?

Chris.
Chris.

russellsuthern

May 19, 2018, 01:04 pm #2 Last Edit: May 19, 2018, 01:11 pm by russellsuthern
Great pics.
I have always admired your 1st Doctor cosplay.

Btw: I always wondered what the TARDIS bathroom looked like...

You know, with you doing number one, Dino doing a mean number two, Steve & Tony rocking number three, Myself & Bearded as number four, we are definitely heading towards representing the whole lot!

Of course we also have Dino doing nine, BioDoc doing ten (And thirteen!!) TARDISman & others as number eleven...

Whose going to do Peter Cushing?!

Keep up the good work!


Russ

Volpone

I'll get the ring on here, I promise.  It and the signet.  The blue ring is cheap costume jewelry from Wal*Mart, of all places.  I think they still carry it.  There's a link here somewhere.  I actually got it for a pirate costume and only later realized it was a passable Hartnell ring.

Russell, the funny thing is that you do your 4th cosplay with a healthy dose of the playfulness #4 has while I do #1 with every bit of the uptight self-importance of #1.  I might be able to pull off #4, but I'd really have to work at it. 
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

russellsuthern

Ha! You are soo right.
I never thought of it before, but our cosplay does to some extent mirror our personalities.... very interesting!


Best regards,


Russell

Volpone

As requested, the Doctor's blue ring and the Pinkie Ring of Rassilon.  Ordinarily they'd be on different hands, but I needed to work the camera. 
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"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

Volpone

HA!  I just realized how great the mirror picture is.  That coat has a chest pocket.  But because it is a mirror image, it looks like it doesn't.  Also, the vest is a women's vest, so the buttons are on the wrong side.  But not in that picture.  And the fact that most people are right handed but I'm left handed further helps the illusion. 

Anyway, didn't get anything done today but I plan to lay out the different items and then do a picture in the updated outfit.  Still waiting on a coat.  But my barber was closed when I got there today, so I've still got fairly long hair.  (But geez, it needs to be cut for my job.  It's getting positively shaggy.) 
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

Davros Skaro

Love that blue ring, very much like the Doctor's. We can't get anything like that here in Australia, & there's nothing wrong withe being left handed. I also am left handed. It's the right handed ones that are (as they call us lefties) the "cacky handed" people. LMSO  :D (No offense meant to anyone either).  :) ;)

Chris.
Chris.

galacticprobe

May 20, 2018, 11:31 pm #8 Last Edit: May 21, 2018, 12:03 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: russellsuthern on May 19, 2018, 01:04 pm
You know, with you doing number one, Dino doing a mean number two, Steve & Tony rocking number three, Myself & Bearded as number four, we are definitely heading towards representing the whole lot!

Of course we also have Dino doing nine, BioDoc doing ten (And thirteen!!)

Interesting idea, Russell. Though with some of us doing multiple Doctors, it would take some fancy Photoshopping to get us all in there in the right order (if we were going to be inserted left to right) with a TARDIS in the background. (Oh... and with us being in wide-spread locations, we would need to be Photoshopped together. But I like the idea!)

Quote from: russellsuthern on May 19, 2018, 01:04 pm
TARDISman & others as number eleven...

Unfortunately TARDISman T@RDISman550 isn't with us anymore. His profile is empty (no link to it). In fact all of his posts, and PMs he's sent me, have "Guest" under the default avatar, and his username has reverted to his original boxman550. So unfortunately he won't be able to join in that line-up... if it ever happens.

Quote from: russellsuthern on May 19, 2018, 01:04 pm
Whose going to do Peter Cushing?!

Funny you should mention this. I was thinking about trying a Cushing Doctor. (At least with his Doctor I'd only have to shave off the beard; I could keep the mustache!) I just don't have the gaunt look of Cushing's face so I don't know how well I could pull that look off. I do wish that at some point they would let one Doctor have a mustache. He could say "Oh! Look! A mustache! I've always thought of trying one of those... but until now I've never really had the right face for one." And if it doesn't work, or go over well with the fans, in the following series the Doctor could appear without his mustache, and when his companion makes mention of it, the Doctor can simply say "Oh, yes... about that. Well it kept making me itch so I got rid of it." :D

Quote from: russellsuthern on May 19, 2018, 01:04 pm
Keep up the good work!

Ditto! And, Steve; if you like, I can see if I still have that drawing of the 1st Doctor's coat somewhere and scan it for you. When I was working I had my seamstress friend make one for me and she used the drawing to create the pattern. I spent I don't know how much time looking at stills I grabbed from the early episodes where they show some good shots of that coat: the button spacing, the placement of the pockets in relation to the buttons, the shape of the shawl collar. With a few notes on the drawing - like "single rear vent" I'm sure if you took the drawing to a seamstress or tailor near you they'd be able to make a coat for you. When I had mine made (it was around 2006 I think) it only cost me about $250-$300 or so - not bad when you consider it was a custom-made coat, and you look at the prices that places like Abbyshot or Thinkgeek are charging for a generic "small, medium, large" Doctor Who coat replica.

As for your waistcoat and its lapels stopping at the shoulders, ending at the shoulder seam, no doubt... that is the correct style for a Victorian waistcoat. (The 8th Doctor's waistcoat worn in the TVM is the same way, only with shawl lapels.) The modern ones have lapels that continue into a collar that wraps round the neck, but even some of those are starting to use the Victorian style. And when you think about it, it makes sense as that part of the waistcoat isn't seen when wearing a jacket or coat over it. But PM me and let me know about the coat drawing.

And I do share your frustrations with trying to find a suitable fabric for the 1st Doctor's waistcoat. It's practically impossible! Over on Prydon Academy Bob Mitsch (honorarydoctor) had a run going for custom-made fabric for that waistcoat a while back, and it wasn't cheap. Of course the more people they had sign up for it, the lower the cost went. Still, it was a long wait, both until they got the minimum number of people the company required to start the order, and it was about a 4-month wait for them to create enough fabric for everyone on the list. Sadly at the time it was too much for my wallet, but it did look good when it finally came in.

So there's nothing wrong with going with the "close enough" when it comes to that waistcoat; it's less expensive. But if you come across a fabric that's really close to what that waistcoat looks like, grab a yard or two (and some neutral satin-like fabric for the back), and take it with a photo of the 1st Doctor (with his coat off) to a tailor and ask him to make a waistcoat with that fabric. They shouldn't have a problem with that, and it shouldn't cost that much, especially if you're saving up for that while you hunt for the right fabric. ;)

But your "young 1st Doctor" looks like what one would expect when thinking of how he might have looked when he was only 130 or so! (Remember, Romana looked pretty nice at 127 - "City Of Death"!) So your young 1st looks absolutely brilliant!

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Volpone

Well, I failed horribly to get any pictures done this weekend.  Mowed the lawn and saw "Black Panther" Saturday.  Took out the motorcycle, got a watch battery changed, got a haircut (:(), and ate out for a late lunch today, so no time for chores, special projects, or costume photos.  That said, as per Russel's excellent 4th Dr. thread, I feel I need the benchmark pictures to base my cosplay on.  But rather than root around, I found someone who already did the heavy lifting (kind of):  http://www.1stdoctorcostume.com/2015/06/series-one-costume-index.html

While it is short on exposition:  ("the coat is a 6 button shawl collar with no breast pocket and 3 buttons on the cuff," etc) it has a wealth of good photos--many in color. 

I'll have to take another look at the new vest.  Maybe it will have grown on me.  But right now I'm favoring the old plain tan one.  And definitely leaning towards the Prince of Wales trousers.  The Dockers have a better pattern, but the color is off and the cut is all wrong. 

And I'm increasingly on the fence about the tie.  I thought I'd rip the seam and fold it in half for a tie that is twice as wide but half as long, but I need to think on this more. 

On the plus side, the coat I ordered shows as out for delivery, so maybe I'll have it before this time tomorrow.  On the minus side, I got my hair cut.  It looks fine for my job, but much less Doctorial. 

Since I haven't gotten any other photos done, here's one of my most majestic hair in the past year: 
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It was approaching this length, but it was just a trainwreck, careerwise. 
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

Volpone

(Actually, I'm probably at least 15# lighter than I was in that photo.)

An unplanned update.  The Dog decided she HAD to go outside just as I was getting ready for bed (it's my fault. I couldn't resist having another look at the vest and tie and this was enough activity to get her stirred up), so I decided to do the full costume to kill some time:

The stuff is growing on me (even the haircut). 

First off, I was surprised by the analysis on the First Doctor's shoes on the above link.  I thought the consensus was that he wore "gored" boots (boots with elastic sides), but the site I referenced seems to think he wore spats or "button" boots.  At any rate, since gored boots provide no ankle protection on a motorcycle, I went with more boring lace-up Dr. Marten's.  Unfortunately the "Air Waire" soles weren't up to the rigors of walking my dog so I had to get them resoled.  And when I did, the cobbler put on big clunky boot-type soles.  It can't be helped.  Maybe I'll put them on and ride around on my bike with my feet dragging.  Anywho... 

Secondly, my ad hoc calculations were off.  There isn't enough material in the tie to double it over.  I did my estimating by adding a wrap around my neck.  Then it is about right.  Unfortunately, that doesn't factor in all the material in the bow.  When I folded the whole thing in half, I wound up with barely enough material to tie a bowtie. 

Had another look at the new vest.  Hate it less.  Almost short enough.  Maybe another run through the "HOT" cycle...  The Goodwill Prince of Wales trousers get the edge from me.  Appropriate cut.  "Close enough" pattern (compared to my other options).  I've decided the velvet blazer gets the edge over the longer coat.  The new coat should show up tomorrow-ish.  We'll see if I like it better than the last Chinese $65 coat I got (that wound up going to Goodwill).  But for now, I should wrap up and try to lure my dog back into the house so I can get some sleep before the new week.  20180521_020623.jpg
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

galacticprobe

May 22, 2018, 04:28 am #11 Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 05:23 am by galacticprobe
You look pretty good in that velvet coat, Other Steve! (And just for the record, in that first photo you posted of your great hair cut, I think if you used some of that temporary hair dye (the stuff that's supposed to wash out in one go - maybe two sudsing) to really darken your hair, you'd be almost a dead ringer for John "Q" de Lancie during his ST: TNG (et al) era days! ;D

Quote from: Volpone on May 21, 2018, 06:40 am
...my ad hoc calculations were off.  There isn't enough material in the tie to double it over.  I did my estimating by adding a wrap around my neck.  Then it is about right.  Unfortunately, that doesn't factor in all the material in the bow.  When I folded the whole thing in half, I wound up with barely enough material to tie a bowtie.  

As for the tie - something I didn't mention with my 1st Doctor's outfit - I used a length of 1-inch wide ribbon. I can't remember if it was supposed to be silk of satin, but it had that look to it. Stiffer than the two materials mentioned so it was probably a synthetic look-a-like. I got some in black, and a dark blue like what you've got.

I pulled out a length (leaving it on the spool) and wrapped it around my collar in the same way one would wrap a karate belt around the waist. (You can find out how to tie one of those on line.) It was a bit cumbersome working with one end of the ribbon still on the spool, but well worth it in the end. Once I got the ribbon tied into a bow - long and drooping like Hartnell's was), then I adjusted it to the length that matched his as close as I could, and then snipped off the "straight" ends, freeing the one end from the spool, and shortening the loose end to the right length to match everything else.

Here are a few photos I found to help illustrate what I mean:

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This time the outfit was modified with the Greek Fisherman's cap (and my old Chief's anchor) for a living history merchant ship's captain outfit. (Yes; those are 1860s "brainy specs", but they had my prescription in them.) This is a crop from a larger image, but it shows just how the bow droops. (This is my black ribbon, and the off-the-peg waistcoat with Hartnell coat replica... in the day when I had two working legs and a decent back. I was also 30 pounds lighter and had a face shape that could have pulled off a more convincing 9th Doctor than I did at Timegate 2013... but maybe not so good a 2nd Doctor: trade off one for the other! :D)

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Another crop from a different living history event, but at the same location (and still the merchant ship captain). It was hot as Hades that day so the coat was hanging on a peg under the fly where my display was. This photo gives a better look at the ribbon as it goes around the collar, and how you can adjust the bow so the ends are even with the loops, or longer. (Still same off-the-peg waistcoat.)

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This is a crop of a photo The Evil One took of the wife and I as we were headed out to a concert for our anniversary. (I thought the 1860s brainy specs suited the look better. I'd been on leave for a bit so the hair is longer than usual, and this was still back when I had fully functional legs and lower back.) In this image you can get a good look at the center of the bow's know, and also with the ends of the ribbon tucked into the waistcoat as Hartnell wore it in the early days. (Yes; that is the yellow waistcoat with the vertical stripes I had made using stills grabbed from scenes where Hartnell's waistcoat had a good showing. If you'd like to see more of that one I can always back out the crop and post that.)

But that ribbon is tied around my collar just like a karate belt is tied around the waist, only using a bow knot rather than a karate knot. (Not sure what the proper term for a "karate belt knot" is, but maybe Dale (senseidale) can shed some light on that for us. He's not been logged in since December, last, but I can shoot him a PM and hopefully that will trigger an e-mail notice to bring him back so he can give his comments on that.)

Anyway, Steve, I hope some of this helps with the tie.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Volpone

May 22, 2018, 07:58 am #12 Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 08:01 am by Volpone
HOLY SMOKES!  YOU REGENERATED!  Seeing your 9th and 2nd pictures, I'd have never guessed this was the same person.  Nice outfit.  You've even got the shawl collar.  

Coat came today.  Where to start?  I think I got my money's worth and I'm basically content with my sizing choice.  It claims to be wool, but I have my doubts.  It claimed to be spring/summer weight, so I was hoping it would be lighter than it turned out to be.  Of course the cut on the front is wrong and it lacks a shawl collar--among other things, but I think it's a fitting First Doctor coat.  Being double breasted, I bought it a bit on the small side, fearing a practical double breasted coat would be baggy.  Of course this cuts into the ability to wear it as regular outerwear but oh well.  As a smaller size, the sleeves are a bit short, but this lets me wear the shirtsleeves out like a suit coat.  

The new vest is still a smidge longer than I'd like.  I may try boiling it in a pot to see if I can get the 50/50 poly cotton to shrink a bit more.  And at some point I may take the lapels off.  We'll see.  But on the whole, a nice effect.  (Sadly I'm just about old enough that I may be adding the monacle/magnifier soon.)  
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Oh, and the tie is growing on me.  I'd still like one a touch wider, but this one works.  And it's funny, you're not the first person to make the John DeLancie comparison.  The other one was to...Clancy Jones(?)  The actor who played "Rawhide"(?) in "Buckaroo Banzai" and the Kurgan in "Highlander." 
"My dear Litefoot, I've got a lantern and a pair of waders, and possibly the most fearsome piece of hand artillery in all England. What could possibly go wrong?"
-The Doctor.

galacticprobe

May 23, 2018, 05:12 am #13 Last Edit: May 23, 2018, 06:17 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
HOLY SMOKES!  YOU REGENERATED! Seeing your 9th and 2nd pictures, I'd have never guessed this was the same person. Nice outfit. You've even got the shawl collar.  

Thanks for the compliment on the outfit. (I really should get a full crop of that into my "Dino's Costumes" topic. I keep meaning to do that with some new photos, but maybe just a full-length crop will do for now.)

And you're not the first one to comment on my "regenerations". At Timegate 2013 I got to talking with Colin Spaull that Friday night. He was out mingling with the fans and is a really great bloke! Anyway, when we said good-night (I was knackered from the ride, and so was the wife since she did the driving) he said he would speak with me more tomorrow. I warned him that he might not recognize me as I was going to shave off the beard and mustache, and don a wig for my 2nd Doctor look. He laughed and said something like "We'll find out, won't we?"

Well, the next day he was walking by me and I was in my Troughton post while some Con-goers took snaps of me. He just nodded a 'Hello' as he walked by. Then I called out "I told you you wouldn't recognize me!" He stopped, turned and looked at me, and said "IT'S YOU! It really is you! You really weren't kidding, were you?" (Then he wanted my to pose by the TARDIS so he could get a snap of me with his phone and send a copy to his buddy, Fraser Hines, with a comment of "Look! I found Pat!")

On Saturday night I told him I was going to be in my 9th Doctor persona on Sunday and he said he would keep an eye out for me. I saw him sitting at the table with Steve Gostello (Cybercontroller from "More Than 30 Years In The TARDIS", and a former member of TB, which I found out later), and when I walked over to get one of Steve's photos autographed, I said hello to Colin and again he did that "IT'S YOU!" He then told Steve that I was a "real chameleon". (This coming from a professional actor is a huge - well - fan boy moment!)

But in the photo above I was still on active duty, hence only the mustache and short sideburns. And just before I came off leave I got my hair buzzed back to my 9th Doctor look, which was my norm at work.

The shawl collar on that coat is because it's the one my seamstress friend made for me based on the screen grabs and sketches I made of Hartnell's coat. The coat is double-breasted with 6 cloth-covered buttons on each side, spaced close together like the original. The sleeve cuff buttons are also cloth-covered. It cost me around $250 if I remember correctly, and that was back in 2007 or so. Now I've seen Baron Boutique offering a 1st Doctor coat for $299. The cut around the front bottom is more Troughtonish, but looks decent. The buttons aren't cloth-covered, but that's an easy fix, and they are positioned about right. The coat also has a shawl collar and single rear vent. So on the whole it's not that bad for the money.

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
Coat came today.  Where to start?  I think I got my money's worth and I'm basically content with my sizing choice.  It claims to be wool, but I have my doubts.  It claimed to be spring/summer weight, so I was hoping it would be lighter than it turned out to be.

I think the coat looks good. The weight and material? Well, it could be a wool blend, which is good because it helps keep bugs from eating away at it when it's in storage (less pure wool, less threat from moths and things). Blends are hard to call when it comes to weight, if it is a blend.

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
Of course the cut on the front is wrong and it lacks a shawl collar--among other things, but I think it's a fitting First Doctor coat. Being double breasted, I bought it a bit on the small side, fearing a practical double breasted coat would be baggy. Of course this cuts into the ability to wear it as regular outerwear but oh well. As a smaller size, the sleeves are a bit short, but this lets me wear the shirtsleeves out like a suit coat.

As for the cut, and notched lapels vs. shawl collar, Hartnell wore a notched lapel coat in "The Three Doctors" (though it was not that easy to see in his "time eddy"), and Richard Herndall wore a notched lapel as the 1st Doctor in "The Five Doctors", so there's nothing wrong with having a notched lapel. The cut in front, if it really bothers you, can be altered at a tailor's for not that much. If you have a decent photo or sketch to show the tailor it should be an easy alteration. Double-breasted coats are a bit "baggy" when worn open; it's the nature of the beastie. Once you close them they get that tailored look. That said, 90 percent of the time (or more) Hartnell wore his coat open. Come to think of it, he wore it open I think from 'Marco Polo' on. (Not sure of the title, but it was the story that came after 'Edge Of Destruction'.) So I wouldn't worry that much about closing it. And the shorter sleeves? It allows you to show off those great-looking cufflinks without having to keep tugging the coat sleeves up. Some tuxes are made that way for that reason.

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
The new vest is still a smidge longer than I'd like.  I may try boiling it in a pot to see if I can get the 50/50 poly cotton to shrink a bit more.

Before boiling it and risking damage to the poly part and uneven shrinkage, I would carefully fold those points in front back and behind the front first. (Have a friend help with that so the points can be pinned evenly once they're folded back.) That should give the bottom of the waistcoat close to the same slightly rounded look that Hartnell's had. Once you get the points tucked back evenly, just use a hem stitch to lock them in place. That will give you the straight bottom and it will shorten the waistcoat from the front. (On that note, Hartnell's gave the illusion of having a pointed bottom when he left the bottom button undone. When he had all buttons fastened his waistcoat was straight, with a very slight downward curve to it.)

So try that trick with the points before boiling and possible damaging the waistcoat.

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
And at some point I may take the lapels off. We'll see. But on the whole, a nice effect.

If you want to take off the lapels, I would have a tailor do it. (Maybe you could get the bottom front of the coat done at the same time?) Removing lapels isn't as easy as one would think, so a tailor would be the way to go with that.

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
(Sadly I'm just about old enough that I may be adding the monacle/magnifier soon.)  

Hey, I'm wearing trifocals! I was just about flying blind wandering around without any specs at Timegate! I had to pull them out of a pocket anytime I wanted to look at something closely... or spot someone from a distance. :P

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
Oh, and the tie is growing on me. I'd still like one a touch wider, but this one works.

It is a great color for the Hartnell tie. I think the reason it looks narrow is because you've got a higher wingtip collar on the shirt. I've been using a standard wingtip tux shirt for my outfit, which is why my tie looks wider than it actually is. So you could either get a wider ribbon for your tie (if it's not already a 1-inch ribbon; or if it is, try a 1.25- or 1.5-inch ribbon), or you could try cutting down that detachable collar a little to make the collar shorter. (You could even use the collar as a pattern, and cut a trial collar from some stiff paper and cut that stiff paper one down until you get it to where the tie looks right. Then cut the detachable collar down according to the paper pattern you've made. Side note to that: In Victorian and Edwardian times, men's collars that were detachable were made from stiff paper so they could just be discarded when they got dirty, rather than having to wash the shirt so much, or leaving a stain - a.k.a. ring-around-the-collar - on a shirt.)

Quote from: Volpone on May 22, 2018, 07:58 am
And it's funny, you're not the first person to make the John DeLancie comparison. The other one was to...Clancy Jones(?) The actor who played "Rawhide"(?) in "Buckaroo Banzai" and the Kurgan in "Highlander."

Mmmmm... No... I think John de Lancie comes closer! ;D (Now just get a red TNG era Starfleet Uniform with captain pips on the collar and wander around conventions bothering everyone dressed like a Starfleet Captain, calling them "Mon Capitan"! ;D ;D ;D)

Seriously, I hope some of my ramblings on your outfit are helpful. And as a young 1st Doctor, I actually think the look you've got there is right on the lines of how he could very well have looked before his travels with Susan.

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(Sorry I couldn't find a photo with him in a solid, dark coat, but I came close with the tie... and maybe when he got older he converted that coat he's wearing into some trousers! ;))

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Volpone

I think I'll leave the vest lapels alone.  In a page or so of Google image searches, there's only a handful of pictures where you even notice the vest enough that lapels or not matter.  The big thing will be a more robust tie.  It really needs to be 2-3 times wider than the one I have.  Other than that, I think we're there.  I quite like the metal vest buttons.  And the coat isn't screen accurate, but in some ways it is more 1st Doctor than the 1st Doctor.  The longer coat really is a Doctor trait.  Even Doctors like Pertwee and Tennant, who didn't have long jackets added a cape or a coat.  Or Hartnell, for that matter. 

Fabric buttons would be nice--as well as a more elegant button stance--but these actually are quite nice buttons.  And they line up with the buttonholes, so repositioning them for looks is borderline. 

There's a very good chance I'll get a monocle.  And that actually helps hide the vest lapels even more.  Then I'll have to charge up the damned DSLR and get some location shots.   :-\
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