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JW Tardis Plans Discussion

Started by lespaceplie, Jan 25, 2018, 04:18 am

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timewomble

Quote from: Scarfwearer on Mar 21, 2018, 08:01 pm
One interesting thing to note is that the door stiles that are hinged look narrower than a convenient wood width. I think they may actually have a little of their width hidden behind the post/door frame.


Maybe a very thin bit of trim?
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timewomble

Mar 21, 2018, 10:47 pm #46 Last Edit: Mar 21, 2018, 11:46 pm by timewomble
Here's a close-up. The hinge isn't rebated into the edge of the door, so perhaps the trim is to help cover the gap.

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Scarfwearer

Mar 22, 2018, 12:29 am #47 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 12:45 am by Scarfwearer
That's the picture that's making me think this.
I think the 'trim' is just the edge of the post, and the door is mounted slightly behind it.
They're also using flush hinges to reduce the gap.
There's an element of guesswork about this at this stage - we'll have a better idea of the numbers when more pictures are available.

deafeningsilence

Mar 22, 2018, 01:58 am #48 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 02:12 am by deafeningsilence
You know what else is weird? We've established that the corner posts are diagonally fluted, but if you look at the post caps in the image down below the post caps look rounded. Indeed, the posts themselves look less like they're fluted and more like they've got very large quarter rounds. There's definitely a slight curve to them. A last minute redesign, perhaps?

Tardis1.jpg

It's a bit quick and dirty, but I've circled the bits I want to draw attention to.

galacticprobe

Mar 22, 2018, 04:14 am #49 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 04:43 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: deafeningsilence on Mar 22, 2018, 01:58 am
We've established that the corner posts are diagonally fluted, but... the post caps look rounded. Indeed, the posts themselves look less like they're fluted and more like they've got very large quarter rounds. There's definitely a slight curve to them. A last minute redesign, perhaps?


It's also possible that what we've been referring to as 'quarter-rounds' on the corner posts when discussing all Classic Boxes, and the Newbery's lack of 'quarter-rounds' on its corner posts, is their (BBC's?, whoever reported it?) definition of "corner posts [that] are diagonally fluted".

We could have just been using the wrong terminology over these many years to describe those corner posts. Those new ones are certainly quarter-rounded, but I don't think it's a last-minute design change. I think it's just an interpretation of the meaning of "diagonally fluted".

After all, we had been using the wrong terminology to describe the http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=7623.0 and the "Pict Mirror" (a.k.a. "http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=7787.0"; - previously called the "Light-poisoning lollipop") until The14thDr found the proper terminology for those gadgets on BBC Concept Art. (Links provided for reference.)

(And as always I'm open to corrections if I'm wrong on the "diagonally fluted" terminology.)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

timewomble

Mar 22, 2018, 07:51 am #50 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 08:04 am by timewomble
Quote from: Scarfwearer on Mar 22, 2018, 12:29 am
That's the picture that's making me think this.
I think the 'trim' is just the edge of the post, and the door is mounted slightly behind it.
They're also using flush hinges to reduce the gap.
There's an element of guesswork about this at this stage - we'll have a better idea of the numbers when more pictures are available.


Yes, we can look forward to seeing some better pictures. The angles on this one foreshorten everything and make it look like the doors would close proud of the post edge, when we know that isn't the case.

Not that this has any relevance to the post question, but these appear to be the hinges on question (not sure if they're the 50mm or 63mm versions): https://www.alsfordtimber.com/doors/door-furniture/hinges/flush-hinges/hinge-flush-bright-zinc-plated-2-x-63mm-dx40563.html.

UPDATE: Given the handles earlier in this thread were identified from diy.com, here's a link to a likely candidate there: https://www.diy.com/departments/zinc-effect-metal-flush-hinge-pack-of-8/208337_BQ.prd.

UPDATE 2: Thinking about this, Scarfwearer's theory makes a lot of sense. The flush hinges don't have removeable pins so are either screwed directly into the corner posts OR they are screwed into a frame/post which fits in *behind* the corner posts. The latter would allow you to keep the corner posts separate from the doors for assembly/disassembly. You could even assemble the rest of the box first and then fit the doors last.

tony farrell

Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 am #51 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 11:27 am by Tony Farrell
Quote from: galacticprobe on Mar 22, 2018, 04:14 am
Quote from: deafeningsilence on Mar 22, 2018, 01:58 am
We've established that the corner posts are diagonally fluted, but... the post caps look rounded. Indeed, the posts themselves look less like they're fluted and more like they've got very large quarter rounds. There's definitely a slight curve to them. A last minute redesign, perhaps?


It's also possible that what we've been referring to as 'quarter-rounds' on the corner posts when discussing all Classic Boxes, and the Newbery's lack of 'quarter-rounds' on its corner posts, is their (BBC's?, whoever reported it?) definition of "corner posts [that] are diagonally fluted".

We could have just been using the wrong terminology over these many years to describe those corner posts. Dino.


Firstly, the Newbery Box did have the quarter rounds - they just weren't deeply recessed!

Secondly, the correct term for these quarter rounds is "quadrants".

The Oxford English Dictionary defines a quadrant as:

A quarter of a circle or circular body - an arc of a circle, forming one fourth of the circumference; one fourth of the area of a circle, contained within two radii at right angles.

By contrast, 'fluted' simply means 'grooved'; a groove is a curved surface which can either be an 'innie' or an 'outie'.  :)

T

Angelus Lupus

Fluted, or quadrants debate aside... Am I right in thinking the detail on these posts is a result of routing the curves, etc out of the corners of a square post, rather than (as per the classic series) layering planks on top? The fact that previous NSTs had the 'L' shape (around the top signs) and the edges of the styles routed, leads me in this direction.
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

Scarfwearer

Mar 22, 2018, 07:54 pm #53 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 08:00 pm by Scarfwearer
I think we're looking at 30mm radius quadrants, and I think they were assembled rather than routed:
quadrant-top.jpg quadrant-bottom.jpg
The quadrants at the bottom appear not to align perfectly with the plates on the sides. This certainly happened on my recent build. If they'd been routered in, I would expect the bottom of the post to be perfectly flat, which is not what I think we're looking at here.
30mm quadrants are a standard size that is available for purchase.
You can also buy router bits that large, though I'm not sure I'd have the skill/bravery to use one.

lespaceplie

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 am
Secondly, the correct term for these quarter rounds is "quadrants".


Quarter rounds is the correct term in the case of building materials. Both wood molding and mini styrene strips are sold as such.

Scarfwearer

It appears both terms are used. This may be another transatlantic distinction.

Angelus Lupus

Quote from: Scarfwearer on Mar 22, 2018, 07:54 pm
The quadrants at the bottom appear not to align perfectly with the plates on the sides.

Ah, I hadn't spotted that! You've swayed my opinion.
I was basing my assumption on how shallow the detail is and not knowing that quadrants came so wide.
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

galacticprobe

Mar 22, 2018, 10:25 pm #57 Last Edit: Mar 22, 2018, 11:42 pm by galacticprobe
Quote from: Tony Farrell on Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 am
Firstly, the Newbery Box did have the quarter rounds - they just weren't deeply recessed!

I stand corrected on that. (Took another look at the reference images: not deeply recessed at all, and in some images barely noticeable, but they are indeed there.)

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 am
Secondly, the correct term for these quarter rounds is "quadrants".

I think as Crispin mentioned above, this is another case of transatlantic distinction in action.

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Mar 22, 2018, 11:17 am
By contrast, 'fluted' simply means 'grooved'; a groove is a curved surface which can either be an 'innie' or an 'outie'.  :)

Which brings us back to the matter of those corners of the corner posts. As I mentioned back in this topic (http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=8151.0), they were very vague when releasing the description of the new prop. As I mentioned in that topic, when reading what was quoted from the Radio Times article and having already seen the 'real vs. rendered' prop behind Jodie Whittaker's costume reveal, their description of the posts as quoted read:
Quote from: galacticprobe on Nov 15, 2017, 05:49 am
"...the four edges of the frame have become diagonally fluted pillars..."

(You can see my speculation on that that could mean in this post: http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=8151.msg103588#msg103588. The post immediately above the one linked here is from Angelus Lupus, quoting the article in the Radio Times.)

So it's entirely possible (not definite, but possible) that whoever was quoted in the Radio Times used "diagonally fluted pillars" to describe the Classic-style corner posts we're familiar with, again since that was the image shown in publicity photos... all showing the corner posts to have those quadrants/quarter-rounds on them, and which appear as such in solid life in the photos up-thread.

And they do look layered together as on the original Brachacki (possibly others) especially when looking at the footing Crispin posted above. Making them layered would make them lighter than routing out corners of solid posts as hollow posts are lighter than solid ones, rather than it being a matter of ease of routing. Ease of routing isn't a problem when you've got a prop-building shop like the BBC must have. If you've got a router table, all you need to do is tighten in the correct bit, set your guide fence and bit height/depth, and then once the router is spinning at speed you run the solid post along the guide fence and the bit does the rest. Turn the post onto the next side, and repeat until you've routered all of the corners of the post (or as many of the corners as needed... in this case the three that are visible).

Dino.
P. S. Tony, I don't know what I would do without you. You're always there to give me that nudge when my wheels start slipping. And it seems like my wheels have been slipping more and more of late. With the exception of locating a post someone's been looking for, or finding something on line that someone's been hunting for (and offering up the birthday wish), I'm not sure I'm actually contributing much these days. (Could be my brain fog is getting worse, and without you there to shine that light to guide me out of the fog and back on course, I could seriously crash into dispensing disinformation. So, thank you so much for being my "crash pad" - or impact attenuator.)

I know it's probably a pain in the backside for you, and for everyone else. So maybe I need a rethink of how much of a difference my participation in these discussions really makes.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

russellsuthern

Dino...

Old body wearing a bit thin?
Might be time for another regeneration...

Personally, I would miss your contributions if you decided to step back a bit from commenting on the board.

I think I have stated before, that without your advice & encouragement, my build would probably never have got finished :D.

So I say "Keep rambling!!! ;D"


Best regards,


Russell

Davros Skaro

Mar 23, 2018, 09:51 pm #59 Last Edit: Mar 23, 2018, 09:51 pm by Davros Skaro
Dino, DON'T YOU DARE STOP CONTRIBUTING ON HERE, you input is valued the same as anyone else & we all make mistakes or get information skewed, but that's life, no-one is perfect, especially the magazines & media. They report something, we have to take their word for it until it is found different, & when it is different, they never apologize for giving wrong information. So you keep doing what you do, & who cares if something isn't exact, someone will come back & correct it without criticism. That's what this site is about, helping each other!

This goes for everyone who feels the same as Dino, we can all get discouraged at times & feel not worthy, (I've been there & survived). So, take a deep breath & relax & remember we're all on the same team & are there for each other.

Chris.
Chris.