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Bradley Console room Twice upon a Time

Started by nebula1253, Jul 26, 2017, 06:04 pm

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fivefingeredstyre

Dec 07, 2017, 07:39 am #15 Last Edit: Dec 07, 2017, 07:43 am by fivefingeredstyre
Quote from: galacticprobe on Dec 07, 2017, 05:25 amSo, just throw authenticity out of the window for the "Old Guard" fans after going through so much trouble to get the TARDIS exterior, and parts of the interior, as accurate as possible to the original? (To me, at least, it looks like someone got lazy and decided to reuse those Curator hexagon things instead.)


QuoteIf that 360-degree is accurate with wall placement and number of walls, then someone would have had to go through a lot of work to make more of those hexagon things. (Photo Blow-up walls would have been far better. Also, unless it's just the lighting, that console room looks way too white. Where is the green console? I know they painted it white for "Hell Bent", but then they painted it green again. Did they have that much extra time on their hands, and money in their pockets, to paint the bloody thing white again?!)

I just hope it looks more "Hartnell" in the episode than it does in the publicity photos because as white as it looks in those photos, and with those hexagons on the walls, that set does not speak "Hartnell" to me.

Dino.
I think it looks great. Don't forget that the console and room was supposed to be white, it was just pale green in reality because that looked better on black and white video than actual "white".

As for the Curator walls, I really don't think the PBU's would have cut it on High Definition camera's. They would have been too obviously fake. Yeah, it was what they used at the time and it would be great to be 100% authentic, but it would have undermined the whole set. We would have loved it, but the remaining 99% of the worldwide viewing public would have wondered what was going on...

I am glad they went to the lengths they did to get this as right as it is. They could have just used another NST for the Hartnell exterior and slapped together anything for the interior. That they went to the trouble they did to replicate this is a bonus for us :)

Personally i'd be happy if it stayed on as the TARDIS console room for series 11  ;D

rob49152

well at least they got the time-space navigator right...  :-[ and the hexagonal light by the door. I'd have liked to have seen the work shop off to the side with the TSN in there. Show how messy the original Doctor was as well. With a door leading into the TARDIS.

They could have had the 2 computer towers. Maybe some of the stuff from Troughtons first episode like the chests to rummage through. There was only one candle stick.

It's very spartan.  I do like the wall that replaces the blowup. I can understand that needing to be different. Just funny they didn't match AiSaT set.

troughtonstrousers

Haven't read the whole conversation so forgive me if I repeat something but I too hate the hexagon wall if they made it black leaving the circles white would have been interesting, also why is the astral map there? it blew up in the web planet?
Also I agree more furniture too so it matched the power of the Daleks but yeah looking forward to it
TT

davidnagel

Lets go for its not his interior and something else :D
Regards
David

darren79

Dec 07, 2017, 12:16 pm #19 Last Edit: Dec 07, 2017, 12:18 pm by darren79
I'd love this to be Whittaker's TARDIS (my expectations are suitably low for the reveal of that).

I wish they'd included some interior doors leading to the bedrooms etc as this just makes it one big room.

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Angelus Lupus

Dec 07, 2017, 12:18 pm #20 Last Edit: Dec 07, 2017, 12:21 pm by Angelus Lupus
Having another look, and the hexagons might not bother me so much if it was just one wall. But, something I notice: Where's the door to the bedrooms, etc?

Edit: And darren beat me to mentioning the doors as I was typing  :) So it's not just be that it bugs.
Thanks for screencaping the 360 view. Given the filmic look they want for the new seaon, and 13's colourful costume, I don't tink this spartan monochromatic room (as nice as it is) will be what Jodie has.
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

danielc

Notice all the joins in the floor, lots of squares  ;)

karsthotep

  You have to remember that we are now 50+ years in , technology has changed, filming has changed, acting as changed,  to expect that they replicate 100% a set that, even back in the 60's was changed to suit  a story,   its unrealistic,   No one blinks an eye if the fresnel changed on the Lamp to a piece of plastic with a hole in it, but throw up a new Hexagonal roundel instead of a blow up picture and people are freaking out.    Case in point, I tried to watch some older Tom Baker episodes with my niece and nephew and it turned into Mystery Science theater 3000 with them constantly riffing about the props and the set,  They are avid watchers of the new series, but sit them down for the older history...nope didn't work, I made it through 1 episode with them and that was enough.  The  BBC can't cater to everyone, especially the hard core fans who get into the nitty gritty details,  just not possible, but they throw enough little nods to us here and there which I am happy with.  Just being able to see the orginal-ish console and console room is a thrill for me. lets all step back bit here and just enjoy it as a new variation and chalk it up to Chameleonic Shift or the Doctor playing with the desktop theme a bit,   (Time Monsters, bowl roundels anyone?) 

Karst 
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

fivefingeredstyre

Quote from: karsthotep on Dec 07, 2017, 01:35 pmThe  BBC can't cater to everyone, especially the hard core fans who get into the nitty gritty details,  just not possible, but they throw enough little nods to us here and there which I am happy with.  Just being able to see the orginal-ish console and console room is a thrill for me.
exactly how I feel about this.

I'm pleased that the team had the attention to detail to get this as close as they have. They could have just used the Console room walls and doors that were used in Hell Bent, with the too small doorway that to my eyes always jars when I see it on screen.

I am really pleased with this set. It's close enough for me to look perfect and I doubt there would have been very little in the way of continuity between the room layouts and the furniture seen in The Tenth Planet and Power if the Daleks, anyway)

However, mess with the TARDIS exterior and I can't get behind it at all..

I guess it's because the interior is fictional and the exterior is based on a real world item...

Quote(Time Monsters, bowl roundels anyone?) 
have you heard the Big Finish Short Trip called the Switching? It comes up with a nice little reason for the Washing up bowls ;D

darren79

Quote from: fivefingeredstyre on Dec 07, 2017, 02:21 pm
I'm pleased that the team had the attention to detail to get this as close as they have. They could have just used the Console room walls and doors that were used in Hell Bent, with the too small doorway that to my eyes always jars when I see it on screen.


Indeed. The initial thrill of seeing an approximation of the original TARDIS setup was soon diluted by noticing how small the main door was (and the roundels weren't deep enough) - or that the roundel wall configuration wasn't quite right.

But I really like this new version. So bright and inviting which none of the nuwho interiors have been.

Seeing this interior is what I'm mostly looking forward to in the Christmas Special (regeneration aside).

Vale

I think, as with the casting of Bradley himself, that sticking to the spirit of the original is more important than making it an exact replica of the original, especially as an exact replica of the original would look terrible to a modern audience. For a one-off set this looks fantastic, a big improvement on Hell Bent's version, which I still loved. Sure, I'd like to see more detailing and finessing if it were going to be a permanent set going forward, but for (what I'm assuming to be) a one-off this is extraordinary.

Also, can we just reflect on how far we have come in a relatively few years? I've been a fan of Doctor Who long enough to remember it going off air in 1989 and the wilderness years where it didn't look as though we'd ever see it on TV again. Now we're blasé enough to be able to complain that a deliberate homage to the classic series ON PRIME TIME TV ON CHRISTMAS DAY doesn't have dodgy photo-blow-up walls that would look ludicrous in even standard definition, never mind HD. Personally I look at this as a chance to see what the original TARDIS set would have looked like with a more modern production budget and techniques. I'm delighted with this.

Angelus Lupus

Quote from: Vale on Dec 07, 2017, 03:54 pm
Also, can we just reflect on how far we have come in a relatively few years? I've been a fan of Doctor Who long enough to remember it going off air in 1989 and the wilderness years where it didn't look as though we'd ever see it on TV again. Now we're blasé enough to be able to complain that a deliberate homage to the classic series ON PRIME TIME TV ON CHRISTMAS DAY doesn't have dodgy photo-blow-up walls that would look ludicrous in even standard definition, never mind HD.


Truly we are blessed! We only nitpick because we care... and we're clearly all obsessive-minded, detail-fixated, super-fan nerds with nothing else to do until Christmas!  ;D
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

ionsith

Are the hexagons a nod to the Day of the Doctor? I haven't checked, but they look a lot like the design on the walls in the gallery...

timewomble

I agree that the photo blow-up walls wouldn't have cut it. I think the new hexagons look pretty nice, but faced with that particular conundrum I would have looked into making 3D versions of the photo blow-up walls, I think.

galacticprobe

Dec 08, 2017, 05:31 am #29 Last Edit: Dec 09, 2017, 06:03 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: rob49152 on Dec 07, 2017, 08:37 am
I can understand that needing to be different. Just funny they didn't match AiSaT set.


This is what I've been thinking all along. (Start here http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=4782.90 and scroll down.) That console room replica was about as close to the accurate "as built" drawings that Tony has created, and while there was just one small photo blow-up wall section (according to the Radio Times interview with Mark Gatiss), it all held up very well with how far technology and filming have changed in the last 54 years.

Sure, that set was not 100 percent accurate to the original, but it was at least 90 percent accurate to it. Like Rob says, it's funny they didn't match the "An Adventure In Space And Time" set, or even use it. (What did they do with that set's components - namely the walls? Keep just a couple of sections to display at the DWE and chuck the rest after spending all of that money to build them?)

The set they're using here, well... I don't like it. They could have done far better. It does not speak "Hartnell, 1st Doctor". It doesn't even speak "Hell Bent", which came closer to the original set design than this one (aside from the white vs. green color scheme). I cringe looking at those walls in the photos. I can only imagine that I'll also be cringing at them while watching the Special. (David Bradley is the only saving grace to this; he's nailed William Hartnell's persona square on the head! Bravo to him! Hopefully if I focus all my attention on him and his portrayal of the 1st Doctor, it will lessen the stomach-turning effect of that set, as the more I look at it, the more I feel the BBC took too many liberties with the design this time, especially when they did so well with the AAISAT set.)

Dino.

Dino.
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