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Started by warmcanofcoke, Oct 27, 2016, 12:07 am

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warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 12:07 am Last Edit: Nov 02, 2016, 03:21 pm by warmcanofcoke
On occasion there are instruments on the Console that are only seen for one story.
This thread topic is a place to discus and identify these Console irregularities/augmentations.

Examples:

Wheel in Space 1968 Season 5
What is that Box Meter on the Console?
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*Just a slight side note about the console room in Wheel In Space episode 6 : It looks like the Doctor Nicked a couple of background control panels from The Underwater Menace.
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or from Daleks' Masterplan Counter plot
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The Mind Robber 1968 Season 6
Was that meter there before? (*also it looks like it is the same panel as the box from above.)
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

cobalt

That spot on the console had one of the plastic screen vents. Maybe something happened to that vent screen, and so the production team kept sticking things there to cover up the hole.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 01:19 am #2 Last Edit: Nov 05, 2016, 03:15 pm by warmcanofcoke
Well that did happen on other panels during that time, so that is a good hypothesis.
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Additional photos:
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

galacticprobe

Oct 27, 2016, 01:29 am #3 Last Edit: Oct 27, 2016, 01:29 am by galacticprobe
Nice catch on that panel with the broken/missing grille, Nate, and thanks again for posting these "oddities". I think having a topic like this for those "one-offs" is a great idea (and wonder why no one thought of it sooner? ???). And I agree: great hypothesis, cobalt.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

cobalt

It seemed like a likely answer. If you notice, although the bases are still there, the lever handles on that panel are missing. Where one piece is missing, it just makes sense that another piece might have gone as well.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 12:07 pm #5 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 03:02 pm by warmcanofcoke
More shots from episodes as my ankle recovers.

The Enemy of the World 1968 Season 5
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The Seeds of Death 1969 Season 6
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002 - yep, that there is a hole on that there panel.
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The War Games 1969 Season 6
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008 looks like someone yanked out that meter from below and then put it on top of the console when they found out they couldn't put it back in place.
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010 That hole cover looks like it is made from paper and tape.
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012 & this grille cover is also make from paper and tape.
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016 Knob replaced with dial on the silver panel.
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017 Knob missing.
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018 Wasn't there a few more levers on the right panel?
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027 a crack in time. Also there is a hole where a light should be.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 01:54 pm #6 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 03:30 pm by warmcanofcoke
Trying to track down when holes appeared on the console ...

The Celestial Toymaker 1966 The Final Test Season 3 Story 24
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Some of those vent covers look like they have been replaced with black card.
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Daleks' Masterplan 1966 Escape Switch Story 21
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Well these shots look ok ... Maybe the problems start later.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 04:32 pm #7 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 03:00 pm by warmcanofcoke
Ok, I spoke too soon.

The Ark 1966 Season 3 Story 23
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The Plot hole thickens.


DOCTOR: A hole. What's a hole doing in my Tardis?
ROMANA: I put it there.
DOCTOR: You? You put a hole in my T? Never mind, old girl. Never mind. I'll soon have it fixed.


So I guess there is a hole on the console in the Celestial Toymaker, unless there is a hole in my reasoning.  :P
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 27, 2016, 08:23 pm #8 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 02:59 pm by warmcanofcoke
The Tenth Planet 1966 Season 4 Story 29
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looks like the grille is covered with some black card.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

galacticprobe

Oct 28, 2016, 02:05 am #9 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 02:13 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Oct 27, 2016, 12:07 pm
More shots from episodes as my ankle recovers.

I hope that ankle heals quickly, Nate. And thanks again for more great grabs.

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Oct 27, 2016, 12:07 pm
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018 Wasn't there a few more levers on the right panel?

There was one more Secondary Lever, just to the right of the bottom Secondary Lever on that panel. What is missing and makes this panel look really empty are the rectangular "ribbed" strips that were on either side of the illuminated indicator and the toggle switch immediately below it. I'm not sure when those went missing, but it was during the Hartnell era as your following image shows.
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Note the two slider switches on that panel, and the missing ribbed strips that should be between those switches and the toggle switch. (Actually there was only one strip between those switches and the toggle switch; the other strip was on the other side of the toggle switch between it and the (missing) Secondary Lever - which is out of frame in this grab.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

warmcanofcoke

Oct 28, 2016, 04:00 am #10 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 02:57 pm by warmcanofcoke
The Time Meddler 1965 Season 2 Story 17
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Monkey 02 Wire mesh to the left and black card to the right.
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Monkey 04 Something is up with that grille.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Oct 28, 2016, 02:47 pm #11 Last Edit: Oct 28, 2016, 02:56 pm by warmcanofcoke
The Ambassadors of Death 1970 Season 7 Story 53
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Ambassadors 01 All the grilles look like they are made from black card with a frame.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

With regards to the background panels in Wheel in Space.  I've done some research on those background panels.....

They also appeared in The Underwater menace and inside the TARDIS in The Abominable Snowmen. They first appeared in Daleks' Master Plan and later in The War Machines.

They started life in Daleks: Invasion Earth 2150 AD - in the entry bay of the saucer.

Last time I've seen one is in The Mutants. In the background of the main area of the base.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

domvar

Are you a member on http://www.zetaminor.com/roobarb/forum.php?s=0a27f6ab48487b8ee083a6e7d316a9a3 have a look at the prop spotting thread if not, (You have to be a member to see the doctor who forums)

galacticprobe

Oct 29, 2016, 04:42 am #14 Last Edit: Oct 29, 2016, 04:58 am by galacticprobe
Nate, another fine set of images! Thank you! And I don't know if this will be of help when it comes to determining which levers or switches on the console controlled what, but I did notice these while looking though the images:

Panel 1
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The right-most light is on, while the three just above and to the left are off. (The left-most light has been replaced by a large knob.) And looking at the Secondary Levers, the left-most lever is down, then the next three to the right are up, and the last two on the right are down (see yellow arrows). After Pertwee walks by the panel...
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...the right-most light is still on and the third Secondary Lever from the right is still up (again, yellow arrows). Then we have the two upper lights (left and center lights) on now, and the two Secondary Levers (second and third from left) are down (see purple arrows).

Moving to the right to Panel 6
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We have the left Symbolic Indicator on, and the middle light on the panel's left side on, with only one Secondary Lever (second from left) up - see red arrows.
Then Pertwee walks past and flips some Secondary Levers (orange oval)...
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...and when he's done that...
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...we have the center and right-most Secondary Levers up, and the left side top light, and the right side top and bottom lights all on (see blue arrows).

This could give some indication of how the Levers (which were actually toggle switches with handles fitted over them) were wired, possible late in the Troughton era, or during some repairs on the console during Pertwee's first season. I know this isn't all that much, but it is an observation that I though some people might find useful.

And thanks again to Nate for making these observations possible with these amazing images!

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"