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Started by galacticprobe, Sep 07, 2016, 07:02 am

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OmegonAlpha

Some more TARDIS Pics released...CvIIBV2XYAAPSa5.jpgCvIIBVmXEAALb8a.jpgCvIIBWKW8AA4efE.jpg

tony farrell

Oh dear... TY-J style Tardis exterior and what have they done to the console?!

fridaysgoldfish

they seem to have "lost" the column innards...

Angelus Lupus

I don't get it...apart from the wealth of photos from Troughton's era, there's telesnaps of this story, right? I mean, that's what they've supposedly based the animation on, so... how can they use the wrong Tardis? What's next? Cheap out and get the animation done overseas so that there's a random scene where The Doctor is Tom Baker for no reason?
Still, the previews weren't giving me much hope, I thoughtwe'd moved on from the Flash Animation low-quality of Shalka...
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

galacticprobe

Oct 20, 2016, 05:01 am #34 Last Edit: Oct 20, 2016, 05:36 am by galacticprobe
Well, okay... so the animation might not be the best, but at least someone tried. We're getting to see Troughton's first story, which has never been seen since its first transmission about 50 years ago. The preview didn't really show much, and we really can't guess at anything by the still images posted here, especially if they're publicity images. (If they were "live" publicity images it would be a different story, but who knows how they're working publicity images?)

Yes; the TARDIS exterior is more like the TY-J than the Brachacki-Altered, but then it's also better than that "Lego block"-looking version from Episode 1 of "The Invasion", which didn't look like any Troughton TARDIS. And we have no idea where that image of the console could have been snagged from. They do have some animation of the console - with the column innards - from the Hartnell's last story, "The Tenth Planet" (and maybe from "Reign of Terror"; I'd have to watch that one again to refresh my memory), so there is a resource to be tapped for the console. We just don't know what the finished animated episode will really look like.

I can see condemning the animation for its lack of detail (and the attention to it), but let's not rush to do so because of a 26-second trailer (in which the "black spots" were almost as long and numerous as the animation parts - and which showed mostly Daleks), or two images that could possibly be nothing but publicity stills. Let's wait until this episode airs and we can see it through.

After all, they're giving us a missing story - Troughton's first - in a long list of missing stories for which Troughton's are the hardest hit. (Remember when all we had available were "The Dominators", "The Krotons", "The Mind Robber", "Seeds of Death", and "The War Games"?) Sure, it's great when full stories are recovered and restored as with "Tomb of the Cybermen", but Troughton's stories are of the most missing. Let's not lambast the BBC's efforts to give us another missing story, restored with animated missing episodes, especially since none of us have seen it in its fully-restored form yet. (It's like looking at a photo of food on a menu and deciding it tastes horrible before actually trying it.)

Let's give this a chance; let's give the BBC some kudos for bringing us a missing story in its entirety without having to watch recycling "telesnaps" and narrative text at the bottom of those snaps. Remember, the BBC doesn't have to do this; they can stash these partial stories away forever and they'll never be seen again. Fans have been asking for these stories to be restored like this since the release of the animation-restored "The Invasion", and the BBC is delivering. We should be thankful of that, and not overly critical. We don't know what their budget is for this, but what we do know is that it is giving us a chance to see stories that have been missing for 50 years.

So let's be careful with our criticism, especially doing it beforehand. If "bad-mouthing" gets to be too much - and there are other forums and groups out there that will no doubt be very harsh with their criticism - then the BBC can very easily say "To hell with any partial story restoration. Put them back in the vault, lock the door and leave them there. The fans are obviously not grateful of our efforts so the effort stops now."

Let's not give them cause to say that. Let's thank them for giving us something they don't have to give us: restored missing stories. And hopefully they will continue restoring stories as time goes on until all of those that can be restored are. And one day, with luck, there will be enough budget and people to work on stories that need most of the missing episodes re-created to bring more complete, restored stories to us until all of the missing stories are restored (or recovered). Efforts should be lauded, not lambasted. We asked for restored stories, and we've been given them. Now let's not say that we hate what we've been given, especially before we've seen it in full.

Okay... off of the soapbox now.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Angelus Lupus

I not hating on it, and I am glad the BBC is doing something to fill the void caused by the lost stories, but I can't help feeling a little disappointed when I see things as iconic as the console and Tardis not looking quite right. That exterior planet image, it's like they were so focused on 'Look, we can do a detailed alien world backdrop!' and the Tardis looks like an afterthought. In an age when kids animated shows and video games can have CGI/animation that looks cinematic I just hoped for a little more than cell-shading and jerky-body-movement. Sorry. Hopefully the full thing is a lot smoother than what were seeing in the trailer, but then... if it is, why not show some of that instead?
A mixed-up non-conformist, trying to fit in.

fridaysgoldfish

I'm just watching the ambassadors of death and noticed that 70% of the column innards are missing during the story, perhaps the doctor had popped the console out of the tardis for them to animate and some bits got lost in transition as I assume was the case with the episode I'm currently watching :)

fivefingeredstyre

Personally, I'm just pleased it's been animated. I cannot wait to see this in a couple of weeks time :)

galacticprobe

Oct 20, 2016, 07:17 pm #38 Last Edit: Oct 20, 2016, 07:37 pm by galacticprobe
First a note: The following comments are not directed at any one person, but are being put forth for everyone in the hopes of helping people understand what we're looking at with animation-restored missing episodes.

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In an age when kids animated shows and video games can have CGI/animation that looks cinematic I just hoped for a little more than cell-shading and jerky-body-movement.

One thing to remember with many of these kids' shows and video games is that they've got some big companies behind them to provide funding: Disney/Pixar/Lucasfilm, Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft/X-box, etc. Each one has far more than millions of US dollars to fund that animation. I doubt the BBC has that sort of funding, so it's not really fair to hold the BBC to the same standard as those billion-dollar corporations. And if I remember correctly, back before Russell T. Davies was able to convince the BBC to let him bring 'Doctor Who' back to TV, the official BBC 'Doctor Who' web site had a statement on it saying, in short, that they had no intention of returning the show to TV because the BBC was not able to hold 'Doctor Who' to the expectations the fans had in the age of 'Star Wars'-type of SFX.

RTD did a great job of pushing the issue to get the show back on TV, and the SFX are holding up pretty well. But what we're talking about here is restoring missing episodes of stories that were recorded 50+ years ago now, when even the restored/remastered film and tape recordings of surviving episodes aren't of the sharpest quality. We're lucky the BBC is even doing it with animation rather than those repeating "stills" and narrative text. I'm sure if the BBC had the same budget as Disney et al, then the animation would be more in line with that "cinematic" look; but the BBC doesn't, so it's really unfair to compare them to such companies' productions and video games.

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Hopefully the full thing is a lot smoother than what were seeing in the trailer, but then... if it is, why not show some of that instead?

Building anticipation? Even so, I'm expecting the look to be like that of the animated episodes seen in "The Invasion" and "The Reign of Terror". If the animation is better than that, then it will be a pleasant surprise. (And we've had the same or less in teasers for 'Doctor Who' specials and upcoming series, and no one complains that the BBC didn't show more, so why is this special story - not seen in 50 years - being criticized so harshly because of a short "teaser"?)

Quote from: fivefingeredstyre on Oct 20, 2016, 05:21 pm
Personally, I'm just pleased it's been animated. I cannot wait to see this in a couple of weeks time :)

Well said! This is how we all of us should be looking at such a milestone - a story seen for the first time since its original airing: something to look forward to, and thankful that it has been restored and not locked away, incomplete and left to rot.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

fivefingeredstyre

Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 20, 2016, 07:17 pm
Well said! This is how we all of us should be looking at such a milestone - a story seen for the first time since its original airing: something to look forward to, and thankful that it has been restored and not locked away, incomplete and left to rot.

Dino.
What can I say, it's my most-favouritist Doctor Who story that I've never actually seen! :D

Joking aside I do understand peoples opinions about this; we are all rivet counters here and can spot discrepancies and inaccuracies at 50 paces. But I have to say it doesn't exactly bother me that the the TARDIS doesn't look 100% in the same way it did on screen at the time, and the interior walls are not quite right...

This is a piece of stylised animation, in the same way that the Moonbase, Reign of Terror, Ice Warriors, Tenth Planet and the Invasion are. I prefer some of the styles over the others. but that doesn't stop me watching them, and it doesn't stop me wanting more.

I'm just so glad they did this project, and I really hope the money is there to do more in the future.

Plus I might well be in the US around the time of the broadcast on BBC America, so with any luck I will get to watch it on an actual telly, for real (Which Is going to please The Girlfriend no end... :D)



galacticprobe

Oct 21, 2016, 03:49 pm #40 Last Edit: Oct 21, 2016, 03:51 pm by galacticprobe
Quote from: fivefingeredstyre on Oct 21, 2016, 08:37 am
I might well be in the US around the time of the broadcast on BBC America, so with any luck I will get to watch it on an actual telly, for real (Which Is going to please The Girlfriend no end... :D)


Just so you know, "Proper Steve", ;) in case you've never seen anything on BBC America: they have adverts during the shows, so when we see the episodes and stories the action quickly "fades out" at a (hopefully good) place to stop and then you get about 3 to 5 minutes of adverts before the action "fades in" again pretty close to where it left off. (After having watched some previous episodes on Netflix before things were pulled, I did notice a few extra minutes overall where you could tell things were edited some to fit all of the adverts.) On the whole, though, being able to watch "Power" on a full-sized TV screen sounds like it will be a treat for you and "The Girlfriend". (I'm guessing you stream it on your computer/laptop/tablet/etc.?)

Also, you'll have to let me know roughly where in the US you might be, just for reference. It's always nice to know how close fellow TB members get when they visit us Yanks. ;D

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

fivefingeredstyre

Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 21, 2016, 03:49 pmJust so you know, "Proper Steve", ;) in case you've never seen anything on BBC America: they have adverts during the shows, so when we see the episodes and stories the action quickly "fades out" at a (hopefully good) place to stop and then you get about 3 to 5 minutes of adverts before the action "fades in" again pretty close to where it left off. (After having watched some previous episodes on Netflix before things were pulled, I did notice a few extra minutes overall where you could tell things were edited some to fit all of the adverts.)
We have the same problem with Sky over here as well, I'm currently hooked on Westworld at the moment, and its bloody annoying when the adverts kick in...

QuoteOn the whole, though, being able to watch "Power" on a full-sized TV screen sounds like it will be a treat for you and "The Girlfriend". (I'm guessing you stream it on your computer/laptop/tablet/etc.?)
its only going to be available over here, initially, via the god-awful BBC Store app. As the app isn't yet available on my Smart telly it means I'll have to download it on my PC or iPad and watch it from there...

The problem is I live in the sticks a bit, and the internet speed round here is bloody awful. It's like living in the Stone Age a bit... hopefully that's going to change after Christmas and the village gets an upgrade, but that's not going to happen before Power arrives...

The DVD comes out in a months time, but that's not soon enough for me :D

QuoteAlso, you'll have to let me know roughly where in the US you might be, just for reference. It's always nice to know how close fellow TB members get when they visit us Yanks. ;D
If all goes well, we should be in New York for a few nights in November. This should coincide with the Power debut. Nit that the Girlfriend will be too pleased though... she's definately a 'Not-We' as far as these things are concerned :D

tony farrell

There's a very nice supporting article in the Radio times for "Power of the Daleks" with some really nice on-set photos which were taken during recording breaks exactly fifty years ago today (22/10/66).

Here's a link to the article - http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-10-22/behind-the-scenes-on-patrick-troughtons-first-doctor-who-episode-shot-fifty-years-ago-today

Enjoy!

T

tony farrell

Oct 22, 2016, 01:57 pm #43 Last Edit: Oct 22, 2016, 02:04 pm by Tony Farrell
In case the link doesn't work outside the UK, here are the pictures:

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Pictures of Patrick Troughton in various roles before he was cast as the Doctor:

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And "come and meet the Daleks":

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warmcanofcoke

Those are some lovely shots and of excellent size and clarity, Many of them I haven't seem before Like the Daleks in the lab outside their capsule. Nice Share! Thank you Tony.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.