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Started by warmcanofcoke, Mar 21, 2016, 11:53 pm

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galacticprobe

Mar 23, 2016, 05:34 am #15 Last Edit: Mar 24, 2016, 04:53 am by galacticprobe
I have created a monster! (And I like it!) :D :D :D

I also like David's idea of making an Article out of this, although once that's done no one can comment on anything in it. So maybe just keeping it as a Reference topic isn't such a bad idea. At least then people can continue to contribute info, such as what that computer terminal is from the deleted scene.

In the scene where Kamelion is connected to the roundel, I can see another keyboard, this one with round keys (unlabeled). Odd mix of blue and silver with the paint job, but from what we can see of it, it does look a bit like the Chameleon Circuit Programmer keyboard (but with round keys). Funny, that: Kamelion connected to a version of the Chameleon Circuit keyboard. And below that looks like a couple of circuit boards with rows of IC chips (at least 16-pin chips, maybe more pins on the chips... it's hard to count the legs on them).

The Chameleon Circuit roundel that the 6th Doctor is working on has a mix of a really older circuit board (the brownish one), a more modern one (the green one - modern for the day), yet another keyboard (below the circuit boards), a "daughter board" - that little light green square one that he plugs into the roundel, and loads of wires. (That daughter board - called such because they usually get plugged into a motherboard to take some of the "workload" off of the motherboard - looks like it's got some serial/parallel ports on it: could be a printer interface daughter board.)

That other roundel the 6th Doctor is working on (which looks like the same one in the scene with Litton) looks like it's just filled with different colored heat sinks attached to the painted board.

The one Turlough sabotages looks like a mash-up if an old hard drive disc platter, some lighted buttons for him to press, and what will eventually become the common look of a Borg Cube. The audio link the 5th Doctor and Nyssa work on looks like a grey-painted backing with some texture added for looks, and then someone took some PVC piping - either grey or painted grey - cut out some holes in the pipes and then stuffed the pipes fill of wires, and threw in some terminal boards between the pipes for more added looks.

Not much to comment on with the First Aid or Thermal Vent roundels, other than the Thermal Vent control looks like it was made by someone in pre-school (but it works!). Also, with the exception of the Thermal Vent roundel and Turlough's sabotaged one, has anyone else noticed that only the center flats of the roundels are the part that opens? I can't figure out why they did that. Why not just use roundels like the one Nyssa removed, or put the necessary circuits behind ones like Turlough sabotaged? One slides out (apparently easily), and the other pops open on a hinge (which would have worked well for the First Aid roundel as well).

Anyway, that's about all my stanky old wizzard eyes can handle for now. I hope others comment on what they see.

Thanks for all of these, Nate! They're amazing!

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

warmcanofcoke

Mar 23, 2016, 12:32 pm #16 Last Edit: Mar 23, 2016, 12:37 pm by warmcanofcoke
Dino if you would like to write an article about this topic you are more than welcome.

*[Note the spelling of Kamelion]
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However I can think of a Troughton Story that has something behind the Roundel as well.

Wheel in Space - the Time Vector Generator is pulled from a Roundel, and the helmet the Doctor Uses to project images on the monitor. [I'll make some screen grabs tonight.]

http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=6436.0

http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=4333.0
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Good call on the time vector generator. And the Doctor's telepathic hat from the end of the same story.

I'm sure everyone is aware but just to remind that the sixties roundels are bigger and different. ;)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

galacticprobe

Mar 24, 2016, 05:04 am #18 Last Edit: Mar 24, 2016, 05:06 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 23, 2016, 12:32 pm
Dino if you would like to write an article about this topic you are more than welcome.

I can certainly work on it. There's no telling how long it will take me to finish it, especially now that you've reminded everyone about the roundels and their workings from the Troughton era. We still have to scour the Pertwee and Tom Baker eras to see if there were ever any roundels open in their stories, and what was inside them. So there are still loads of comments and research needed before a complete article can be written. (I've learned that from Tony: get the research completed, discussed, revised, etc. before you get it finalized. Then you create the article.)

And this is a great topic for discussion. As I mentioned, no one can comment in Articles, so I'll certainly wait until the research and discussion is finished before starting a "Workings Behind the Roundels" article.

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 23, 2016, 12:32 pm
*[Note the spelling of Kamelion]

Ah... thanks for pointing that out. (Previous post edited to correct spelling.)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

warmcanofcoke

Mar 24, 2016, 09:11 am #19 Last Edit: Mar 24, 2016, 09:28 am by warmcanofcoke
In the Claws of Axos and The Time Monster A roundel doubles as a Scanner. I would take screen caps but I have developed the plague. Give me a few days to recuperate.



*edit I may have some screen caps here:  http://s1130.photobucket.com/albums/m531/ConsoleImage/

Claws of Axos
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The Time Monster
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

In the Roundel alcove above the Chair on the left- The Brackets - Is that the place where the Time Vector Generator slots into place? in Wheel in Space? (Missing episode) - maybe it was left over from that episode and no one bothered to remove them. [Pic from The War Games]
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Wheel in Space Thought projector.
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Claws of Axos - Scanner
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The Time Monster - Scanner
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 24, 2016, 06:27 pm
In the Roundel alcove above the Chair on the left- The Brackets - Is that the place where the Time Vector Generator slots into place? in Wheel in Space? (Missing episode) - maybe it was left over from that episode and no one bothered to remove them. [Pic from The War Games]
vlcsnap-8377-09-13-04h27m31s874.png


I think it really might be. I've always thought so :)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

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Ohm my god - I can't resist dem fat resistors. So much impedance.



In other news the walls were very roughly cut.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

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The Machine that goes Ping!

My old motherboard had one of those - the bios would communicate errors through the beeping mechanism.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

galacticprobe

Mar 25, 2016, 05:36 am #25 Last Edit: Mar 25, 2016, 05:44 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 25, 2016, 12:07 am
Ohm my god - I can't resist dem fat resistors. So much impedance.

Those are large, but the way they're connected on the board makes me think they're capacitors rather than resistors. Resistors would have stripes of different colors on them to denote their resistance value (the color code). These don't have that. Inductors look like resistors and also have color code stripes on them to indicate their impedance. (That's where the electronics terminology comes in: resistors=resistance, capacitors=capacitance, inductors=impedance.)

I could go into detail on what each means, but I think peoples' eyes would start bleeding as they read it.

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 25, 2016, 12:07 am
In other news the walls were very roughly cut.

Very roughly cut! It looks like someone made that cut with a box cutter (or a jigsaw while drunk).

The thing that goes 'ding' is interesting; it means that roundel's innards were made in part with a PC motherboard. (Nice ID there, Nate!) And I'd forgotten about the scanner/viewer roundels. Now I remember the one from "The Time Monster", but I don't remember the one from "Claws of Axos". Then again, I haven't seen "Axos" in decades (late 1980s), but we have talked about the "Time Monster" console room in other threads, so I should have remembered that one. (I think I had a mind slip there. :P)

Thanks for pointing those things out, Nate, and for posting those images while under the weather. (Rest up and get well soon!)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

domvar

Quote from: galacticprobe on Mar 25, 2016, 05:36 am

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Mar 25, 2016, 12:07 am
In other news the walls were very roughly cut.

Very roughly cut! It looks like someone made that cut with a box cutter (or a jigsaw while drunk).



looks like a cable is clipped to the edge of the wall to me

warmcanofcoke

just trying to get the ball started on the discussion.  ;D

Quote from: domvar on Mar 25, 2016, 10:04 am


looks like a cable is clipped to the edge of the wall to me


I can see how you might think that. It looks to me like the walls are made from some sort of plastic material and a hot knife was used to trim the wall.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Mar 25, 2016, 11:24 am #28 Last Edit: Mar 25, 2016, 11:33 am by rassilonsrod
If also thought it looked a bit rough. But if  you zoom in, you can see it's a cable :)

Also. They were definitely made of thicker stuff than thin plastic :)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

davidnagel

Maybe we're seeing both a rough edge and the cable? The cable making the rough cutting look far worse than it is!
Regards
David