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Started by lespaceplie, Sep 30, 2009, 06:44 pm

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Quote from: deck5 on Nov 06, 2010, 01:41 am
Quote from: charter on Nov 05, 2010, 03:09 am
Hello everyone this is my frist time so I hope Im doing this right. I want to build a Newberry box and when I was looking around the site I notice that the cross beams on the door looked skinner then the vertical ones. Is this ture ??? Thanks 


Looks the opposite, to me.  The cross beams appear to be slightly wider than the vertical beams.

Ill problem just make them the same measurement's. According to the plans I got up above the vertical ones are 2 3/4ths. I want to make them as close as possible because this Tardis has a real unique look to it :).
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torran

I don't suppose anyone's got plans laying around for Logopolis version? :) (Or appropriate changes so that I can apply them if I were to follow the one's available here)

DoctorWho8

Well, just take the roof from the TYJ and plop it on the Newbery and that's pretty much it for Logopolis.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

torran


superrichi1a

What's the story behind that roof? Was it build specially to make it more Police Box like? (And less recognisable as the previous model). Was is built out if necessity because of deterioration to the original? Was it actually newly built at all etc?
Isn't it how ironic that we have to think of solutions out of the box, in order to build our boxes a lot of the time?

DoctorWho8

Well, remember it was filmed at the Barnett bypass, where weeks before a real Police Box stood.  Then it got demolished, so the production team had to bring the Newbery out of retirement, give a new roof to match the TYJ, but for some reason both boxes had the small box under the lamp installed.  They also installed new Police Box signs to make them more like the TYJ.  After they recorded the opening scene where the officer gets sucked the Master's TARDIS, they rejiggered the doors.  They moved the center divider to the right hand door and moved the lock to the left hand door.  Of course they had to patch and repaint things so they could record the rest of the scenes on the Barnet.  Then in the studio scenes, the box remained the same.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

superrichi1a

So actually it was never really the intention to replicate the Police Box, simply try to make the Newberry copy the TYJ which in turn within the narrative was to copy the Newberry? Well that's a bit of a headache...
Thanks for the info though! I never knew it was there the original Police Box had stood, only that they had planned to use an original. I'm confused here, though: "they had to patch and repaint things so they could record the rest of the scenes on the Barnet" - did they actually use the Barnett then?
Isn't it how ironic that we have to think of solutions out of the box, in order to build our boxes a lot of the time?

petewilson

Quote from: superrichi1a on Aug 14, 2014, 07:41 pm
Thanks for the info though! I never knew it was where the original Police Box had stood, only that they had planned to use an original. I'm confused here, though: "they had to patch and repaint things so they could record the rest of the scenes on the Barnet" - did they actually use the Barnett then?


After they discovered the original Police Box had been demolished on the Barnet By Pass..They filmed all the Location shots in a Lay-by in Denham (near Uxbridge) on the  A413 (Amersham Road) right where the M25 goes across the road now!    ;)

superrichi1a

Ok think that's all straight in my head now, thank you :) Shame, I think it would be surprisingly emotional to see a real (or correctly proportioned replica) Met box on the show!
Isn't it how ironic that we have to think of solutions out of the box, in order to build our boxes a lot of the time?

willgillies

Have there been any plans made of the Updated Newberry, akin to how it looked in,Logopolis then Castrovalva and Black Orchid repectivly. Bill mentioned the new doors were added.

Rassilons Rod

I believe the doors were the wooden formers for tge TYJ
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

boxman550

im planning on making this box as a 3d model on sketch up and gotta ask is the box around 8ft 8 from base to lamp ?

Scarfwearer

Well there are a couple of variables here.

There are three different plans being referred to on this topic: ones by Lespaceplie, DoctorWho8 and ZbignievHamson - all somewhat different. There's a fourth plan by Tony Farrell in a nearby topic. So the exact number is going to vary depending on which one you look at: you just have to add up the heights of the parts.
The reason is that these plans are all estimates - no-one's been able to measure the actual prop - even if it still exists.

Secondly, the prop had different roof lamps over the years, as is common with most of the Tardis props, so it's usually more convenient to refer to the height of the prop without the lamp.

I think most of the estimates put the height of the prop at about 8 feet without the lamp and lamp base. Give or take an inch or three... :) So your 8'8" figure including the lamp is probably reasonably close.

boxman550

thanks for letting me know scarfwarer  :) very helpful

galacticprobe

Apr 27, 2018, 06:26 am #29 Last Edit: Apr 27, 2018, 06:26 am by galacticprobe
Going on averages, using Lespaceplie's, Zbigniev's, and Tony's measurements (no offense to Bill (DoctorWho8), but trying to use the scale to get measurements was too much for my brain), I came up with the following:

(All measurements are from base to roof top - no lamp or lamp base included)
Zbigniev's measures 94 inches tall (no measurement given for the base, or height of roof pitch, but going by the other measurements on the diagram it looks like the roof height is 1 inch, and the base is 2 inches; all vertical measurements added to get that 94 inches);

Lespaceplie's plans have the heights of every vertical, and added together also give a total height of 94.5 inches;

Tony's measurement of the total height in millimeters (2445mm) converts to 96.25 inches tall;

94 + 94.5 + 96.75 = 285.25, divided by 3 for the average = 95.08 inches, which divided by 12 is 7.924 feet (or close enough to call 8 feet tall).

That's just for the box. The lamp's base is 5 inches tall (lespaceplie), 3 inches tall (Zbigniev), and 4.33 inches tall (Tony), so that's a big variable just for the base. None of the drawings give the height of the lamp (lens) itself, but it looks to be roughly 5 inches tall (just using Tony's for that since his measurements are severely researched and it looks just a tad taller than his 4.33-inch base); however lespaceplie's drawing's lamp is about the same height as his 5-inch base, so that's two drawings where the lamp looks to be 5 inches tall - all not counting the lamp cap; my brain can't handle that one tonight.

So just going on the average measurements of the Box alone, 8 feet tall is a good estimate. A lamp height of 5 inches looks consistent. It's the lamp's base that's the big variable. For that, taking the average:

5 + 3 + 4.33 = 12.33, divide by 3 for average = 4.11 inches tall for the lamp base.

And that's about all the math I can handle! (Brain firing on one cell now: down to basic motor functions only.)

Nothing against anyone that's tried to calculate the Newbery's measurements, but for modeling the Newbery, personally, I would use Tony's measurements. As I mentioned, his research into the measurements and uncanny knack for pixel counting to get pixels per inch for known parts and going from there, he's got about the most accurate measurements as one is likely to get short of finding the Newbery and measuring it, or hopping into a working TARDIS, going back in time, and measuring the Newbery when she was in use.

I hope some of this rambling was helpful.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"