Hartnell plans available and ready for revision

[DOCTORiZ]

Is there any freeware autocad?
Maybe I can play around and teach myself then?
Let me know.

Thanks
Jon

[lespaceplie]

The sign boxes are probably 41" wide as drawn. The span of two doors is definitely 36" on the Hartnell prop. The corner posts are 6" wide. The ends of the sign boxes appear to be about 1/2" shy of the center of each post.

Also, good work on the rendering. I think the roof steps are too far in, though. The lower step should only be 1/2" in from the post cap (43" square). The upper step is 1" in from the  lower one (41" square).

I should label more on the PDF.

... just checked the plans and found that the sign boxes are drawn at 41". That would account for the 2".

So can someone tell me what the actual dim of the sign boxes are on the Hartnell prop?

Thanks

Rob

[gregraj]

Lespaceplie,
      I am near completion on my 3d model build and i will post my results soon.  I am starting the drawing phase a little early seeing more people are getting involved.  Rob , your work is coming along fine.  You don't have to be a engineer to use a cad program.  Like any program or trade skill requires long hours of practice and good sources of information. God , I love the internet.


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greg

[gregraj]

Jon,
    Download.com has a 3d cad program you might be interested in downloading . Here is the link.
www.download.com/3D-Modeling-CAD/3150-6677_4-0.html?tag=dir
The program Alibre Design Xpress has a Solidworks like user interphase and it is free.  Only drawback is the assemblies can only be made with up to 5 parts.  The parts can be as large as you want , but editing would be harder.  Alibre also has a user forum for woodworkers.  greg

[Sorvan]

Is there any freeware autocad?
Maybe I can play around and teach myself then?

There are a number of free programs you can play with.  Some of the people on this board have used SketchUp which I understand is fairly easy to use.

A more powerful free program to use is Blender.

I understand that it's also possible to create objects in the free version of SketchUp (which is easier to use) and import them into Blender (which can render nicer pictures).

Colin

[roguerpj]

Greg,

Can you clarify for me what you mean by "roof step".

I think I know what you are talking about. But when you said, "lower step should only be 1/2" in from the post cap (43" square)" , I got lost.

I only think of the roof as having one step up. But I'll bet this is semantics.

Here is what I currently have.

[gregraj]

Colin,
   I have used Blender before i purchased Lightwave.  Like Lightwave , Blender is more of a concept
modeling program, not a dimensional driven modeling program.  Although Lightwave has a cad plugin now , there is still room for improvement.   I am not sure you can display measurments in Blender ?  That said , Lightwave , Blender, 3dMax are all excellent programs and Blender is free.
As for SketchUp , Well what is the old adage .   I wouldn't kick a dog in the a** with it .    greg

[lespaceplie]

This should clarify things (I hope).  There are 2 roof steps, but the lower one fits flush with the top of the post caps unlike a real box.

Also, I think people are mixing up Greg and Gene. Gene (me) = lespaceplie.

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[gregraj]

Gene,
    Thanks for the update.  I may have caused some confusion with the 1.5" roof joist.  The exposed
area will be 1" around the perimeter.  a 1/2 inch under the roof cap.  Sorry rob , I should have explained what i was doing.  The screen shot and print should help in what i am trying to do.

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Colin,  Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup .  I had a really bad day.  Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job.    greg

[Sorvan]

Colin,  Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup .  I had a really bad day.  Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job.

Yeah, and for some people SketchUp is probably the best tool being (from what I understand) easy to use and free.  I always use Photoshop to edit my pictures, but I'm not going to suggest that someone with simple image editing needs should buy a copy of it.

If someone just wants to play around with 3D stuff for the first time,  they shouldn't download Autodesk Maya Personal Learning Edition.  If I wanted to play around it's what I'd download, but I've a little more experience with such things than most people.

Colin (who produced his first 3D animation in 1988, through the magic of typing numbers into a text editor)

[roguerpj]

This should clarify things (I hope).  There are 2 roof steps, but the lower one fits flush with the top of the post caps unlike a real box.

Also, I think people are mixing up Greg and Gene. Gene (me) = lespaceplie.

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Gene,

Thanks for the clarification. That is what I thought you where saying.

What was throwing me is I didn't think of the lower roof step as part of the roof but rather as part of the walls. Guess this is the Set Designer in me 

Also, sorry about the name confusion. This was most likely my fault as I am new here and don't have all the flash cards memorized. 

rogue

[roguerpj]

Gene,
    Thanks for the update.  I may have caused some confusion with the 1.5" roof joist.  The exposed
area will be 1" around the perimeter.  a 1/2 inch under the roof cap.  Sorry rob , I should have explained what i was doing.  The screen shot and print should help in what i am trying to do.

Colin,  Sorry about the harsh comment on Sketchup .  I had a really bad day.  Software is like tools in a toolbox, use the best tool for the job.    greg

Greg,

No need to apologize. By the way I like what your are doing with your work. Looks great. I have been thinking of loading up that copy of Solidworks I have and seeing what it can do but can't seem to find the time. Now I think I'll have to make it happen. Right after I figure out 3d Studio 

rob

rob

[roguerpj]

Can someone point me or post some picture that show the texture used on the Hartnell era box.

It would be better in color but b&w is ok.  Also better if this was a close up and straight on.

What I am hoping to do is create some files for texture maping the computer model.

Thanks

Rob

[gregraj]

Rob ,
  I am planning to make a cgi build in Lightwave as well.  You may need to hit some of the cgi forums for help on the textures.  There are a few people making some excellent tardis builds in cgi and 3d Studio Max is an excellent  program for cgi results.  I am  looking  forward to seeing your work.   greg   

[gregraj]

Gene,
  A little more progress on the old girl.  I need to model a lock to keep the martians out.



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Just a little more detail and i will start on the build prints.   Maybe with some luck i will start a real build by next spring.  I will work on the prints in the fall and winter months.   Just not enough time in the summer.  later greg