3D 60's Console V2 (was: Original Console Colour)

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Rassilons Rod

Oct 07, 2007, 10:34 am Last Edit: Dec 01, 2010, 06:42 pm by Scarfwearer
What does everyone think the real colour of the console was in the 60s?

There are many photos with varying quality and differing colour variations. We all know that in the 60's they had colour charts to show what was best on BW tvs, but it is difficult to find good photos that give a good reference.

Here is one from Toymaker... (the earliest colour pic I can find).
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=41478

Here is one from the Mind Robber...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=51064

Here is one from Inferno...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=52254

All showing slightly differing shades...

Also here is one from Colony in Space.  Though having done a lot of research on this over the last few days, I think they repainted it after season 7 was done...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=53028

What do you guys think?

Cheers :)
-Marc
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Scarfwearer

Jun 05, 2009, 09:29 pm #1 Last Edit: Jan 16, 2010, 07:05 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: transmatdalek board=console thread=454 post=20832 time=1244218908

hi, did you mean the angles for each TARDIS console (top part) is generally the same throughout?

The simple answer would be 'yes' (with the exception of the wooden season 14 console).

The longer answer is that remarkably little information is available about the dimensions of the actual props. Apparently the top panels were the same size throughout, though there is some visual evidence that they were built outward at some stage (cladding them around the outer edge would not change the angle).

The plans I drew up are really guesswork, and the measurements and angles do differ somewhat, which may turn out to be because they are wrong...  :o

Crispin

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Jul 12, 2010, 07:34 am #2
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Rassilons Rod

Jul 12, 2010, 12:36 pm #3
It seems Chronovore.org has died :(
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DoctorWho8

Oct 07, 2007, 04:55 pm #4 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:11 pm by scarfwearer
Inferno was the last appearance of the original console.  Colony in Space was the second console.  It seems to be a light pale gray-green in Inforno.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

Rassilons Rod

Oct 07, 2007, 06:13 pm #5 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:12 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: doctorwho8 board=console thread=1191753243 post=1191776141Inferno was the last appearance of the original console.  Colony in Space was the second console.  It seems to be a light pale gray-green in Inforno.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff


Mmm, yes but I think they just refurbed it - I think a lot of the controls are the same. For example, the panel with 3 lamps up one diagonal side and 3 up the other still exists during Tom Baker's time (and infact I'm pretty sure I just saw them flashing during Warriors' Gate).

I think Purple has also said that the "table" was kept and just the panels were replaced. Well I think that some panels were reused many times and just repainted/ rejigged. :)

On the subject of Colony In Space... check out this grab... The panel facing us is exactly like one of the original ones, just repainted...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=53053

And in this one, you can just see one of the round orange and grey discs that there are (I think) 5 of on the original console
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=53161

-Marc
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The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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dalethetimelord

Oct 07, 2007, 07:03 pm #6 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:12 pm by scarfwearer
To answer the original question, the original console colour is a lightish green, as it showed as white on camera without causing camera feedback from the older b/w TV cameras.  This is the colour shown in Inferno, after which the console was indeed revamped, and large parts of it re-used in a different format for the console v2.

DoctorWho8

Oct 07, 2007, 11:42 pm #7 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:12 pm by scarfwearer
Some controls may have been transferred, but I don't think so.  I think they were all new controls.  The console itself was completely new and larger than the original.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

Rassilons Rod

Oct 08, 2007, 05:21 am #8 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:12 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: doctorwho8 board=console thread=1191753243 post=1191800564Some controls may have been transferred, but I don't think so.  I think they were all new controls.  The console itself was completely new and larger than the original.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff


Larger, mate? Are you sure?

Just watched Keeper of Traken yesterday too and there those 6 lights are again. And I'm convinced its the same panels even if they have different stuff in some of the holes...

This shot from Colony in Space shows an identical panel
http://shillpages.com/dw/story/st--3h01.jpg

This shot from the Time Monster shows the round thing (grey/orange) and one metal panel and 3 black slidey switches that are in exactly the same place as they were.
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=53977

This shot, again from the Time Monster, shows an entirely identical panel that has just been repainted.
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=54002

and a closer shot...
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=54071

This panel to the right also does not look to have changed much
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=54105

Here are another 2 panels from Colony in Space that don't seem to have changed much (the levers with the red or yellow balls have been replaced)
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=53053



Here's a great shot from the 3 Doctors that shows 2 panels that haven't changed at all (save for the paint job - even the levers are the same, except the yellow ones are now green)!
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=54321

Check out this shot from the 60's to compare the controls.
http://shillpages.com/dw/story/st--1a17.jpg

It underwent its biggest overhall for Pyramids of Mars (the first time we see it with Tom). But there are still a few recogniseable features.

I'll try to find some screen grabs tonight, to illustrate.

I think the first real V2, in terms of differences was the Pyramids console. But as for size, I think Purple might be able to confirm it was the same basic structure that supported the panels.

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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purpleblancmange

Oct 08, 2007, 07:01 am #9 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:12 pm by scarfwearer
As I always understood it, the original console survived up until part way through Tom's tenure, by which point it had been serviced countless times, so yeah, some of the control panels had been replaced and the plinth had been re-lined and so on.  I guess they just kept it going for as long as possible.

Then we get a new one, built using the original as a template and pretty much the same thing happens over the years to this.  What I found interesting is that up until season 19, there were still elements of the original console's controls in evidence, namely those silver handle things.

As a side note, in collecting circles it is rumoured that the "Hartnell Console" still survives in someone's collection, although it's not in a very good shape.  Mmm-hmmm, yep, of course.  There's always two sides to a story and I know which side I believe.

EDIT: Forgot to add this bit, I always thought that the original console paint looked like Apple White (which is a very pale green) and as for all the image links here, none of them load up for me, so I'm somewhat in the dark.

Rassilons Rod

Oct 08, 2007, 03:49 pm #10 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:13 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: purpleblancmange board=console thread=1191753243 post=1191826901As I always understood it, the original console survived up until part way through Tom's tenure, by which point it had been serviced countless times, so yeah, some of the control panels had been replaced and the plinth had been re-lined and so on.  I guess they just kept it going for as long as possible.

Then we get a new one, built using the original as a template and pretty much the same thing happens over the years to this.  What I found interesting is that up until season 19, there were still elements of the original console's controls in evidence, namely those silver handle things.

As a side note, in collecting circles it is rumoured that the "Hartnell Console" still survives in someone's collection, although it's not in a very good shape.  Mmm-hmmm, yep, of course.  There's always two sides to a story and I know which side I believe.

EDIT: Forgot to add this bit, I always thought that the original console paint looked like Apple White (which is a very pale green) and as for all the image links here, none of them load up for me, so I'm somewhat in the dark.


Thanks Purp :) I knew I wasn't going totally screwy eyed looking at all the different pics. :)

So it should be quite pale... Thankyou! Thats what I wanted to know! </nyder> :D

-Marc
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The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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DoctorWho8

Oct 08, 2007, 03:52 pm #11 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:13 pm by scarfwearer
The reason what I said the original was smaller is if you watch Inferno, the height of the console looks small when by Pertwee.  In the following season in Claws of Axos, the console seem taller and the panels bigger, as Pertwee doesn't seem to hunch over as much as he did with the original console.  And I thought I read in the old DWM TARDIS Special back in 1991 they said the origianl console was scrapped.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

Rassilons Rod

Oct 08, 2007, 03:54 pm #12 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:13 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: doctorwho8 board=console thread=1191753243 post=1191858736The reason what I said the original was smaller is if you watch Inferno, the height of the console looks small when by Pertwee.  In the following season in Claws of Axos, the console seem taller and the panels bigger, as Pertwee doesn't seem to hunch over as much as he did with the original console.  And I thought I read in the old DWM TARDIS Special back in 1991 they said the origianl console was scrapped.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff


I think its one of those things that twists and turns with the mists of time... or something. I.e. nobody really knows. Hence my little bit of research here :)

I think I spotted in some pictures a cylindrical dais that the console stood on sometimes. Could account for different heights :)

Also different camera angles could make it look different.

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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purpleblancmange

Oct 08, 2007, 04:31 pm #13 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:13 pm by scarfwearer
I can see what Bill's getting at, though if you watch Pertwee in action, he often hunches himself over the console when throwing levers and so on, almost as if he's putting his weight in behind the throw itself.

The other thing to keep in mind is that, as Marc said, the console does seem raised from time to time.  Check out Inferno, it's sitting flush with the floor, though in The Coloney in Space it's a good inch off floor level.  I have a feeling that at some stage it was on castors to allow it to be wheeled into position in the studio.  I can't confirm this, but there's a scene at the start of (I think) Death to the Daleks in which Pertwee lurches at the console and it visibly rolls about 8" to the left of screen.  Check it out and see what you guys think.

Regarding old magazines and books, sometimes it's quite amuzing what facts are made up, Peter Haining and Adrian Rigglesford immediately spring to mind in that respect.

Rassilons Rod

Oct 08, 2007, 04:40 pm #14 Last Edit: Jul 12, 2010, 01:13 pm by scarfwearer
Casters: Don't forget that hilarious scene in the Web Planet when the console spins around (like a record baby, right round)... :D

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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