Final TARDIS Rotor/Whirligig Symbols

[Rassilons Rod]

Photobucket says your album is private.

[the doctor who2]

Ahh, OK thanks for letting me know, sorting it now

EDIT: I've sorted it out now, the folders are Password protected, to stop random people from getting them, just people who go on this site.
the password is;

To get the Password for the Folders please see my Personal Profile.

[galacticprobe]

The doctor who2, just keep in mind that after 24 hours, anyone can visit this Forum and see the post with your Photobucket password! (Remember the 24-hour lag time scarfwearer put in a while back so the Mods would have a chance to view and edit any extremely rare inappropriate posts before non-members (and hopefully members) would see them?)

Not that I'm trying to keep everyone here from viewing your photos, but I am trying to help you do what your original intentions were: to keep random people from getting into your folders. It may be a better idea if you want to allow only TARDIS Builders members to have access to your password to put the password in your profile, in the little blurb where you put introduction info about yourself. You could modify what you've got and say something like "And for all TARDIS Builders members, my Photobucket folder password is XXXXXX". Only registered members can view another member's profile. Anyone that is not registered will get a "You must be a registered member" or the like if they try to view your profile, so your password would be safe with us that way, and not "public domain" after 24 hours.

Dino.

[the doctor who2]

I hadn't thought of that.
Thanks Galacticprobe, that is a brilliant idea. I'll do that now.
Thanks again

Now if you require the password for the above links to my Photobucket Account, all TARDIS Builder Members can find it in my Personal Profile.

[galacticprobe]

Glad to be of help! After 29 years of holding a Secret Clearance in the military, I take protecting passwords very seriously!

Yeah... I just had to put that color code in there; that bit can be found on the net:
UNCLASSIFIED
CONFIDENTIAL
SECRET
TOP SECRET
INTELLIGENCE (Seriously, at this level, when they say "If I tell you, I have to kill you", they're not kidding!)

Dino.

[klara]

Awesome!!! You magnificent people. Heading to an appt now so will read through in the afternoon. Cheers!

[DoctorWho8]

Tell us about the secret alien invasion, Dino! We know you had the clearance!
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

[galacticprobe]

I wish I could, Bill! I want to know, too! Unfortunately I was several layers too low on that Clearance Level list. (You'd have to be in the Purple, and there are - if the documentaries on the History Channel are true - 38 levels of Purple. And you'd have to be above Level 15 or so (I can't remember the exact number mentioned, but it was something like 15 and higher) to have access to that sort of info. And it's all a "Need to know" basis. You may have the correct Clearance Level, but if you don't have that "need to know", you will never know.)

I was way too low on that totem pole, and never had that "need to know".

Dino.
P. S. A frack-load of help I was, wasn't I?

[nylimb]

I learned recently that the control room of the Tardis can be viewed in Google Street View.  While looking around, I noticed that one of the symbols in the bottom row of the Time Rotor is upside-down.  I wondered why, so I did some Googling which led me here, where I found galacticprobe's post from August 7, mentioning an upside-down symbol.

But it's not the same one that I noticed; there are actually two symbols that are upside-down.  The one I saw is 3 spaces to the left of the one that galacticprobe found.  Here is Street View's image of it in the top row:



And here it is in the bottom row:



Nylimb

[galacticprobe]

Wow! How did we all miss that one!? But it's not actually "upside-down"; it's rotated 180 degrees. (And yes, there is a difference.)


Top symbol (cropped from above)


Top symbol (again cropped), but "upside-down"


Now the Bottom symbol from above (cropped). Notice the difference in the "upside-down" position vs. the "rotated 180 degrees" position of the bottom symbol.

But now I guess the real question is... how many others like this and that other symbol have we missed?

Good eyes, nylimb!

Dino.

[DoctorWho8]

It's flipped horizontally too, not just rotated.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

[nylimb]

Wow! How did we all miss that one!? But it's not actually "upside-down"; it's rotated 180 degrees. (And yes, there is a difference.)

I've looked in several dictionaries, and none of them give a definition of "upside-down" that's specific enough to choose between the 180 degree rotation and the reflection across a horizontal line.  Mostly they say things like "with the top part at the bottom".  This one even gives as an example the sentence "You hung the picture upside down!", which is similar to the case at hand, and I'm sure that anyone saying that means that it's rotated 180 degrees.

But now I guess the real question is... how many others like this and that other symbol have we missed?

Good question.  After I found one, I looked for others, but missed the one that you found.  So I won't try to claim that these are the only ones.

[Rassilons Rod]

Wow! How did we all miss that one!? But it's not actually "upside-down"; it's rotated 180 degrees. (And yes, there is a difference.)

I've looked in several dictionaries, and none of them give a definition of "upside-down" that's specific enough to choose between the 180 degree rotation and the reflection across a horizontal line.  Mostly they say things like "with the top part at the bottom".  This one even gives as an example the sentence "You hung the picture upside down!", which is similar to the case at hand, and I'm sure that anyone saying that means that it's rotated 180 degrees.

Well users of Photoshop and similar will be familliar with the difference between "rotate" and "mirror"

[galacticprobe]

It's flipped horizontally too, not just rotated.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

Well, technically, if you flip it vertically to get it upside-down, and then flip it horizontally, you've effectively rotated it 180 Degrees:
 
Original symbol on the Top Tier...       ...flipped vertically so it's "upside-down"...

 
...then flipped horizontally...              ...and now it's the same as the one on the Bottom Tier: rotated 180 degrees.

Well users of Photoshop and similar will be familliar with the difference between "rotate" and "mirror"

So there are a few people who understand what I was getting at. (Thanks, Marc!)

But I think we're starting to get into semantics now. After all, if you do hang a picture (or place a sticker/decal such as this symbol is probably made of) "upside down", you're basically rotating it 180 degrees - because if you just flipped it straight upside-down, then you'd have the picture facing the wall, and the sticker/decal looking like the second symbol I posted here.

Dino.

[nylimb]

So there are a few people who understand what I was getting at. (Thanks, Marc!)

I think we all understand what you were getting at:  There's a difference between being flipped vertically and being rotated 180 degrees.  My only point is that the term "upside-down", according to the definitions that I've seen, applies equally well to both of those.  It's an ambiguous term, but not incorrect as your first reply to my post implied.

I'm not trying to be hostile here.  But when someone claims that I'm wrong, I try to find out if it's true.  If so, I admit it; otherwise I explain why I think that I'm right.