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River Song's Diary Pages

Started by cardborduser, Mar 31, 2011, 03:02 am

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cardborduser

Mar 31, 2011, 03:02 am Last Edit: Mar 31, 2011, 03:04 am by cardborduser
Stills taken from River Song Monster Files.
Weeping Angels.
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Vampires
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Silurians
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Picture 21.png SPOILERS
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STILL TACKEN FROM SILENCE IN THE LIBRARY
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~~~Aliza
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cardborduser

I started trying to decode what was writen on the last picture,
here is what I have.
This has Become ___ Ours ____ an _____ ____ ___ A ____ Who Is That ____ B (<3) ____ Is ___ Today Alone ___ ___ ____ Mans __ Life ____ ___ ___ In ____ ___ ___ Coin

Thats all I could get from the first page. what do you make of it?  Anyone want to see if they can fill in the missing words?  I wonder if its just random senteces.

Here is the second page.

Is (PAGE BLOCK) Saturn (?) (more page block) War (more page block) _____ (more page block) I (more page block) Coal ___ I ___ Live In ______(more page block) Pauline and ___a Love _____ ____ __ Imagine __ Dear__ __ __ Ion _______ ___ __No war Pawn

Thats all I was able to get from page 2

Not much I know, tell me what you think.
~Aliza
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Elvis Gump

I wonder if any of these pages were ever meant to legible or to actually make any sense beyond the stories we've seen on screen? I would doubt it since they'd be spoilers to stories that aren't written yet...

cardborduser

you could have a point there but if you fill in the blanks it makes an interesting story. =D
i know this is a bit of a stretch but think of the vampires of venice. i filled in the blanks.

Is the planet Saturn (?) preparing War?
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Elvis Gump

Of course how would River know anything about the non-vampires in Venice having not been along for that adventure? :)

There was a filled in River diary posted a while back on therpf.com one could probably find just searching "River Song" over there that I remember that was a bit neater with more calligraphic handwriting I'd expect River to have. It would be neat once the River arc is finally over to have one that actually has all the adventures they have as well as some off-screen stuff as a bound book. It would be an interesting publishing project if it were commercially done to get a half-falling apart 'new' book.

cardborduser

was working on the last imige in apeture to see if i could recover the entire text (did not work) but I did find this, drPicture 5.png
Does any one else see the 10th doctor?
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galacticprobe

Apr 04, 2011, 07:00 am #6 Last Edit: Apr 04, 2011, 07:00 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: Elvis Gump on Apr 01, 2011, 08:51 pm
There was a filled in River diary posted a while back on therpf.com one could probably find just searching "River Song" over there that I remember that was a bit neater with more calligraphic handwriting I'd expect River to have.


You wouldn't happen to know if it's still there, or where to find it (as in a link), would you? I've been looking over the place for days using every combination of "River Song", "Diary", "Journal", "Book", etc. and haven't found it. (Found lots of other cool journal things, but not River's.)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Elvis Gump

Sure, this is the entry I meant which is better really than any others I've seen but the poster only did two posts and nothing else. http://www.therpf.com/f9/river-songs-book-doctor-who-92101/index2.html#post1459222

If after the River Song storyline runs it course it would be great if there is a published version of the diary that has a coherent story in true diary format with drawings would be a great collectors item.

One of the things I've wondered that Moffat might do at some point is cast a younger actress to play River from earlier in her time-line to tell the bulk of the characters story with the current or future Doctor to imply they'd known each other for decades and that the version played by Kingston was the second half of a star-crossed romance.

I've always thought the perfect end for the story would be the last time the Doctor sees River is the day she meets him for the first time to mirror the way he met her in "Silence in the Library/Forests of the Dead". And that the diary is a blank book he finds in a little shop and gives her as a present. It would be interesting if say his last words to her were something along the lines of Tennant's line in "End of Time" where he'd say "Tell you what, I bet you're gonna have a great life". It's the sappy romantic in me....

Kingpin

Quote from: Elvis Gump on Apr 01, 2011, 08:51 pm
Of course how would River know anything about the non-vampires in Venice having not been along for that adventure? :)


(At the risk of missing a subtle rhetorical question) The Doctor probably told her.

Elvis Gump

Apr 04, 2011, 01:55 pm #9 Last Edit: Apr 04, 2011, 01:59 pm by Elvis Gump
Yes, of course being somewhat rhetorical is the obvious answer, but to spell it out why is she writing about things she didn't experience with him? Not many people seem to keep journals anymore which is a tab sad because you learn all sorts of things about your own memories and perception of time if you have. Which anyone that has kept journals will tell you that River's 'journal' is really rather metaphorical because most of us that fill up Moleskins and other blank books tend to fill up something River's journal size in less than a year.

I have shelves full of them from the 80-90s when I was more prolific at keeping them and sometimes going back through them looking for a bit of info, something particular amusingly shows me that what I retain in my head often doesn't jive anymore with what I wrote down at the time. If I try to guess the year something obscure happened I find I misremember a lot more than I think I do. And after 25 or 30 years it's great fun to laugh at things written by a much younger version of myself and think of the spectacular arguments I have disagreeing with him over his points of view, conclusions and so forth.

So back to River; to me why is she filling in this preciously small book with things that didn't happen when they were together? There's all sorts of implications that she's written stuff in there that wouldn't fit all in one tiny little journal like in "Time of the Angels" where she has a throwaway line about having images of all his faces but him never showing up in the right order. Which immediately is a problem if you think about it because this precedes "Silence in the Library" so why didn't she know Tennant was the Doctor before he met her? How could she cram just a few adventures she's had with him in there much less the stories that occur in one season of the show?

So the book is a metaphor more than a real plausible diary of years, possibly decades spent together detailing his adventures even with her. It's like the Indiana Jones journal prop where you know Indy wouldn't just have one, he'd have dozens after just a few years of being an archeologist. But that's not how we think when we watch a movie or tv show. We like a good talisman. Remember the tongue in cheek River challenge to the Doctor at the end of "Flesh and Stone":

"That's a fairy tale"
"Doctor! Aren't we all?"

cardborduser

Quote from: Elvis Gump on Apr 04, 2011, 01:55 pm
Yes, of course being somewhat rhetorical is the obvious answer, but to spell it out why is she writing about things she didn't experience with him? Not many people seem to keep journals anymore which is a tab sad because you learn all sorts of things about your own memories and perception of time if you have. Which anyone that has kept journals will tell you that River's 'journal' is really rather metaphorical because most of us that fill up Moleskins and other blank books tend to fill up something River's journal size in less than a year.



and yet we see clear images that river kept files on vampires.
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Elvis Gump

Yes, but you are far too linear in your thinking about things that are so much worse that they don't mind us thinking they are vampires happened only in Venice.

Think.
About.
It.

Has silence fallen? Yet?

See also "Continuity Errors": http://timelord50data.cz.cc/Documents/Continuity%20Errors%20By%20Steven%20Moffat.pdf


"I told you, I'm a time traveler. I got it in the future."
"I've got a complex life. Things sometimes don't happen to me in the right order."

Kingpin

Apr 04, 2011, 07:02 pm #12 Last Edit: Apr 04, 2011, 07:03 pm by Kingpin
Quote from: Elvis Gump on Apr 04, 2011, 01:55 pm
Yes, of course being somewhat rhetorical is the obvious answer, but to spell it out why is she writing about things she didn't experience with him?


I think Silence in the Library shows it best, in regards to an answer to that, she can use the adventures she wasn't part of as a temporal map to help work out which point in the Doctor's life she's currently crossing over with.

QuoteWhich immediately is a problem if you think about it because this precedes "Silence in the Library" so why didn't she know Tennant was the Doctor before he met her? How could she cram just a few adventures she's had with him in there much less the stories that occur in one season of the show?


That probably is a continuity error, but it can be compensated for that "she has pictures of all of the Doctor's faces" (as far as she's aware).

Elvis Gump

Quote from: Kingpin on Apr 04, 2011, 07:02 pm
Quote from: Elvis Gump on Apr 04, 2011, 01:55 pm
Yes, of course being somewhat rhetorical is the obvious answer, but to spell it out why is she writing about things she didn't experience with him?


I think Silence in the Library shows it best, in regards to an answer to that, she can use the adventures she wasn't part of as a temporal map to help work out which point in the Doctor's life she's currently crossing over with.


QuoteWhich immediately is a problem if you think about it because this precedes "Silence in the Library" so why didn't she know Tennant was the Doctor before he met her? How could she cram just a few adventures she's had with him in there much less the stories that occur in one season of the show?


That probably is a continuity error, but it can be compensated for that "she has pictures of all of the Doctor's faces" (as far as she's aware).



If she has some sort of temporal map, then it failed her mightily on the day it would have counted most! Of course the journal has already been erased completely and then 're-written' in a. ahem, bang. Who knows all the things that journal may have contained once that it doesn't now? Now THERE'S a prop I want to see someone tackle - BEHOLD! THE SELF-RE-WRITING TIME JOURNAL! (batteries not included)

But the answer there again is obvious. Why did the message to the Doctor go all wrong in the first place, back to the Tenth Doctor? Because the Doctor it was meant for re-routed it to the 10th Doctor in the Donna Noble era of course. He knew he couldn't go to the Library. It's not a continuity error, it's a causation paradox which Complicated Space Time Events (CSTE) are apparently able to get around. I'll explain - later.

HERE BE SPECULATIVE SPOILER : I believe we are about to see another one of these this season. In the trailers for series six Amy tells the Doctor "You have to do this and you can't ask why." I think this leads to the event where the Doctor is 'killed' and River either causes it or takes the blame, hence her incarceration in Stormcage. I suspect that Amy gets the info from a future version of River and has to make sure the Doctor is at the right time and place to prevent a paradox or greater tragedy or whatnot. The bit in the trailer where Amy shoots someone makes me think she is the 'killer', but River takes the fall for the 'crime' which I would think isn't murder, but a justified kill a someone before they can do something worse. Perhaps another Time Lord who was thought of by some populace as the "Greatest Man Who Ever Lived" but was really, really rotten underneath. Probably has a rubbish beard.

And after that the Doctor is very angry with River for not trusting him to have done his Thing to prevent said killing. ("I was going to do a Thing. I wasn't finished, brain was still thinking of what Thing I was going to do. Respect the Thing!") I think something along those lines is why River fears the Doctor knowing 'who she really is', which is someone who would kill to save his life, which he wouldn't agree with letting her do. She's done this sort of thing in the future you know - day she went and let herself get killed instead of the Doctor.

Of course that could be completely wrong, but I toss it out there in case you want something to fill in your replica River Song diary and you think I'm possibly on to something...

galacticprobe

Apr 05, 2011, 02:01 am #14 Last Edit: Apr 05, 2011, 02:16 am by galacticprobe
Thanks for the link!

And actually, in "Silence In The Library" River did know The Doctor; he just didn't know her, yet. She walked right up to him and said her classic "Hello, Sweetie." When he seemed not to know her, she played along by introducing herself to him (and to us watchers as well). Shortly afterwards - and this is probably not an exact quote - she said to him something like "You're pretending not to know me for some reason." Then she ran through some of their adventures in her journal with him, trying to figure out why The Doctor didn't know her. And once she realized that The Doctor actually didn't know her - because he hadn't met her yet - she was rather sad.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"