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The Five Doctors Console Room Measurements

Started by the doctor who2, Jan 19, 2011, 07:08 pm

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the doctor who2

Jan 19, 2011, 07:08 pm Last Edit: Jan 19, 2011, 07:31 pm by the doctor who2
I've managed to use fellow member's (warmcanofcoke's) Studio floor plan and I've added some measurements. Which due to the nature of the reproduction cannot be exact but this is the best i can do, and may come in handy for people who wish to replicate this console room.

Heres the whole studio set with the cyclorama (The Pink Lines for those who don't know) and the edge of the studio space. I've also added the version with just the measurement squares (Grey),

Picture7.jpg

BBC TC6 and console room no cyclorama.png

And heres the console room section with the measurements, hopefully it is easy to understand,

Picture6.jpg

:)

ALL MEASUREMENTS ARE IN MMs
"There's no point being GROWN UP if you can't be CHILDISH sometimes!"

The Fourth Doctor - Robot, S12 E01

Rassilons Rod

Hey, that looks great! What did you base your measurements on?

Did you know that the squares should be 2ft per side? :)

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

the doctor who2

Due to a course I'm on I've got quite a bit of stuff to hand including studio plans for the BBC which have been drawn in AutoCAD at the correct size, so i just imported the image of the repro and scaled it to fit which showed the area in question with the 2ft by 2ft squares which i think came to about 600mm by 600mm. I then added the measurements, and took a few screen shots.  :)

Forgot to mention the measurements are in mm.
"There's no point being GROWN UP if you can't be CHILDISH sometimes!"

The Fourth Doctor - Robot, S12 E01

Rassilons Rod

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

Jan 19, 2011, 09:57 pm #4 Last Edit: Jan 19, 2011, 10:00 pm by warmcanofcoke
Very Nice! I wonder if there is a record of the studio number where the Five Doctors was filmed? Maybe there are measurements ..... oh wait, does that studio still exist? .... still, very impressive work.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

the doctor who2

Jan 20, 2011, 01:37 pm #5 Last Edit: Jan 20, 2011, 01:44 pm by the doctor who2
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Jan 19, 2011, 09:57 pm
Very Nice! I wonder if there is a record of the studio number where the Five Doctors was filmed? Maybe there are measurements ..... oh wait, does that studio still exist? .... still, very impressive work.


Yep this studio still exists, i had to do a bit of research to find out which studio this episode was filmed in and i found a website which told the location of a lot of the Doctor Who Episodes, but i really can't remember what it was called, Anyway this episode was filmed in BBC Television Centre Studio 6.

EDIT: I've found out what it is now, not sure if everyone will be able to use the page or not but here it is anyway, just for future use, just click on a story and it'll come up with the locations for it,

http://www.doctorwholocations.net/stories/classic
"There's no point being GROWN UP if you can't be CHILDISH sometimes!"

The Fourth Doctor - Robot, S12 E01

warmcanofcoke

Jan 20, 2011, 07:23 pm #6 Last Edit: Jan 21, 2011, 02:44 am by warmcanofcoke
Quote from: the doctor who2 on Jan 20, 2011, 01:37 pm
Yep this studio still exists, i had to do a bit of research to find out which studio this episode was filmed in and i found a website which told the location of a lot of the Doctor Who Episodes, but i really can't remember what it was called, Anyway this episode was filmed in BBC Television Centre Studio 6.

EDIT: I've found out what it is now, not sure if everyone will be able to use the page or not but here it is anyway, just for future use, just click on a story and it'll come up with the locations for it,

http://www.doctorwholocations.net/stories/classic


That is really cool.
I was originally thinking that if the studio still exists, there probably is a lighting grid chart on the internet somewhere. [In my television classes one of the first steps they taught us was to map out the room for power points(plugs),Microphone XLR ports and there was a lighting grid showing where the lights were etc. These sheets were (for my class at least) preprinted so that new directors could plan a production.]Studio 6 lighting charts might exist online for directors of productions. we might be able to overlay the lighting chart over the studio layout for the Five Doctors. *Not that the above work isn't amazing. I'm just curious.

Three links with a Map of the Television Center [but no studio 6]
http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page124.html

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/jacobsen_tvcplan_large.jpg

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/rossetti_TVC_lowres_large.jpg

Photos of Studio 6
http://www.flickr.com/photos/91109287@N00/3552403323/in/photostream/

BBC Television Centre handbook 1960 [5 MB pdf - BBC - Homepage

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDcQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fhistoryofthebbc%2Fcollections%2Fbuildings%2Ftvc_handbook.pdf&rct=j&q=%09BBC%20Television%20Centre%20(Studio%206)&ei=YOU4TbH0HIH4gAeFsbSbCA&usg=AFQjCNGNK7rV0RJERm-GPbNN0--lofeR9w&sig2=8UAnHHI9hOcqgmq5GDHtDw&cad=rja

claims that [pg13] "... Studio 6, for general purposes, will be the same size
as Studios 3 and 4."

[I assume that this was printed before the construction of Studio 6]

[pg11]"Studio 3, for general purposes, and Studio 4, for
Iight enteltainment, music and drama, are each 100
ft x 80 ft x 40 ft high (30 m x 23 m x 13.5 m)."

what does all this mean ..... I have no idea .... I'm tring to find the true dimensions of studio 6 ..... why? I think I'm bored but I think it might be helpful to someone....
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

celation


the doctor who2

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Jan 20, 2011, 07:23 pm
I was originally thinking that if the studio still exists, there probably is a lighting grid chart on the internet somewhere. [In my television classes one of the first steps they taught us was to map out the room for power points(plugs),Microphone XLR ports and there was a lighting grid showing where the lights were etc. These sheets were (for my class at least) preprinted so that new directors could plan a production.]Studio 6 lighting charts might exist online for directors of productions. we might be able to overlay the lighting chart over the studio layout for the Five Doctors.


For the studio i used on the drawings there was a lighting plan included on this indicated by little blue marks, but they could have easily modernised the lighting in that studio since that episode so I'm not sure if it'll be right. but I've managed to get a view of just the studio here,

page0001.jpg

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Jan 20, 2011, 07:23 pm
claims that [pg13] "... Studio 6, for general purposes, will be the same size as Studios 3 and 4."

[I assume that this was printed before the construction of Studio 6]

[pg11]"Studio 3, for general purposes, and Studio 4, for
Iight enteltainment, music and drama, are each 100 ft x 80 ft x 40 ft high (30 m x 23 m x 13.5 m)."


I think your right about how big the studio is there, 100ft x 80ft, since the squares are 2ft x 2ft each theres 50 squares across and 40 down (that's including if the side edges are 4ft all the way around) it comes to that number.

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Jan 20, 2011, 07:23 pm
what does all this mean ..... I have no idea .... I'm tring to find the true dimensions of studio 6 ..... why? I think I'm bored but I think it might be helpful to someone....


I'm sure it'll be of use  :)
"There's no point being GROWN UP if you can't be CHILDISH sometimes!"

The Fourth Doctor - Robot, S12 E01

warmcanofcoke

why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

BeeblePete

Nov 11, 2011, 10:01 am #10 Last Edit: Nov 11, 2011, 10:26 am by petertheta
On the less accurate side of things, here's a page from a writer's bible that's on the Enlightenment DVD. Presumably this rough sketch was to give incoming writers just enough layout and and terminology for scenes in the console room. They'd need to know about 'tv screens' and door levers but less important was the detail that they aren't an even number of panels away from each other :-)

- Pete

DW writer's bible,  Enlightenment DVD.png

Rassilons Rod

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/images/lime%20grove%20d%20and%20e%20plans%20400p.jpg

It's not very big, but here is a plan from Lime Grove, D is where An Unearthly Child was shot (from what I can gather, I think it was probably just the TARDIS interor scenes - the rest was at Ealing Film Studios).

I believe, both D and E were used over time.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

Apr 04, 2013, 01:32 am #14 Last Edit: Apr 04, 2013, 06:22 am by warmcanofcoke
I was looking at the measurements again and found the dimensions of the doors a little confusing. Then I began to wonder why similar wall sections were various different lengths. In my mind it would it seams that it wouldn't be cost effective redesign each wall segment to be odd lengths. I would like to suggest an alternative set of measurements. Because we know that every square is 600 mm x 600mm. I copied and pasted some boxes across the edge of each wall and column and these are the dimensions I got.
Picture6A_zps1f99569e.jpg
The wall with the main doors is 3000 mm across. From the hinges of the door to the columns are 600mm each, the doors as a set are 1800 mm from hinge to hinge and each door is 900 mm from hinge to center .

The walls with the four sets of roundels are 2400mm each.

The View-screen wall is 3000mm.

The Interior door wall is 1500mm. (2 1/2 boxes wide)

and the front face of each column is 600mm. (Not including the sides of each column.)

Picture7_zps68ca31f4.jpg
The console room looks like it is 8100 mm (13.5 boxes) by 6000 mm (10 boxes)
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.