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The Brachacki TARDIS (Altered) (1966)

Started by DoctorWho8, Feb 28, 2009, 06:55 am

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Tony Farrell

The point in my posting the picture was to illustrate that the addition of the panel-wide cross-bar had already occurred by the time "Power" was made and (judging by the publicity shot from "Terror") had been removed revealing what I think is the additional piece of wood used to raise the height of the Police Box's side panels. A taller panel-wide cross-bar was then fitted (presumably at the same time a new base was made for "Claws").
In order for that theory to work, I need to be sure of the date of the photo from "Power" i.e., is it contemporary (perhaps a publicity shot or maybe from the camera rehearsal) or is it a much later 're-staging' of the scene). Does the photo show the actual Police Box prop or some later recreation?
My inclusion of the screen grab from Invasion was to show the cross-bar was there from 1966 to 1969 but because the Police Box is outdoors, its base is slightly obscured and the lighting doesn't help.
Have I got my history correct and do people agree with the revised plans I posted?
Regards
Tony
A few more pictures to help illustrate - the one of Pertwee is interesting in that it shows the rear doors also had the simplified window frames (i.e., no sills)>

  brachaki_1_.pngTARDIS(Doc2-3-4)01medium.jpgrear door top clearance.jpg

galacticprobe

Feb 07, 2013, 05:06 am #46 Last Edit: Feb 07, 2013, 05:09 am by galacticprobe
Quote from: rassilonsrod on Feb 06, 2013, 07:56 am
WOW, those pics from Ark in Space...

Whoa. I never noticed that before! And is it just me, or does this photo from "Arc In Space"...
Quote from: Tony Farrell on Feb 06, 2013, 06:07 am
ArkInSpace1.jpg

...show that Top Sign to have a black bezel surrounding the signage? (Maybe not the entire Top Sign box, but at least the front?)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

silverfox

This screen grab from Curse of Peladon shows the construction of the base quite well.
The split between the top and bottom layer is even more pronounced when the prop is rocking backwards and forwards on the ledge.


peladonbase_zps3dfd6cea.jpg

Tony Farrell

Many thanks Silverfox - great close-up.
Not only is the split apparent, but so too is the proportion of the base compared to the corner-post quadrant. If this quadrant is 0.75", then it would  appear to be a sixth of the total height of the base. (0.75" x 6 = 4.5"). This would appear to confirm my measurement for this part of the Police Box prop.
Thanks
Tony 

Tony Farrell

Quote from: galacticprobe on Feb 07, 2013, 05:06 am
...show that Top Sign to have a black bezel surrounding the signage? (Maybe not the entire Top Sign box, but at least the front?)
Dino.

I'm tempted to agree Dino ... that sign-box's front plate does appear to be very dark. I'm not sure if it's black or a dark (midnight) blue but it is noticeably a different colour. Yet another example of a 'mix, match and make do' attitude at the BBC?
Tony 

meantimebob

It looks like a model diarama to me, done with a lot of care and attention to detail.

Rassilons Rod

To the point of putting a hole in the lamp? I think the TARDIS weathering matches too. The only thing that is different (apart from the
Dalek and the extra rocks) is the background to the right of the TARDIS.

Quote from: meantimebob on Feb 07, 2013, 01:32 pm
It looks like a model diarama to me, done with a lot of care and attention to detail.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Tony Farrell

Quote from: rassilonsrod on Feb 07, 2013, 02:01 pm
To the point of putting a hole in the lamp? I think the TARDIS weathering matches too. The only thing that is different (apart from the
Dalek and the extra rocks) is the background to the right of the TARDIS.


I think the background appears different only because the scene has been photographed from a slightly different angle - hence my suggestion that it is a publicity still or an archive snap perhaps from a rehearsal.
Tony

Rassilons Rod

I have to admit, I'm leaning towards the same conclusion Tony.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

meantimebob

Quote from: rassilonsrod on Feb 07, 2013, 02:01 pm
To the point of putting a hole in the lamp? I think the TARDIS weathering matches too. The only thing that is different (apart from the
Dalek and the extra rocks) is the background to the right of the TARDIS.

Quote from: meantimebob on Feb 07, 2013, 01:32 pm
It looks like a model diarama to me, done with a lot of care and attention to detail.



Yep, amongst other things, it's the scale of the rocks and gravel that give it away, plus the folds in the cloth in front of the doors are outsized. Also, look at that ribbon of a river (or road) on the backdrop to the left, it's a different shape. This is a model.

Volpone

Concur. I'm certainly not a photography expert--still or film for television--but between the reduced resolution of over the air broadcast to mid 20th century black & white sets (that didn't have VCRs) you could get away with imperfections on the set (and it looks like they had a dry ice fog going that, for whatever reason, isn't in the still photo).  The "rocks" are likely to hide the casters on the prop or the soundstage floor.  And the difference in the Dalek is likely because it isn't the most durable prop and between takes it shifted around a bit.  But I bet that's a contemporary publicity shot.
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-The Doctor.

Tony Farrell

Quote from: volpone on Feb 07, 2013, 05:37 pm
Concur. you could get away with imperfections on the set (and it looks like they had a dry ice fog going that, for whatever reason, isn't in the still photo).  The "rocks" are likely to hide the casters on the prop.  But I bet that's a contemporary publicity shot.

The point about dry ice is brilliant! The fog is concealing/flowing over the rocks!
As for the little road/path in the background, if you follow it to the left and down, there are three main 'steps' in it. Because of the difference in angles between the tele-snap and photo, we are seeing the full path in one but only the top 'step' in the other. To me, the 'wrinkles' in the photo appear to be painted clouds.
It would be good to see any tele-snaps, screen grabs, contemporary photos of the damaged lamp as these would support the idea that the photo is genuine.
Thanks to anyone who can help.
Tony

silverfox

A cropped close up from Ark in Space showing the dark sign box (almost looks matt black) and the simplified Tupperware beacon amongst other things


arkpolicebox_zps8f8798b4.jpg

markofrani

BRILLIANT! Some great detective work there Tony! All your theories seem to make sense and the height difference of the refit sides explains why the interior doors might indeed be taller than previously thought, lending argument to re-looking at the dreaded roundel diameters! One thing though, I think the corner posts front and back were the existing 4.5" width, but the re-made thinner side posts are only 4" wide.

Rassilons Rod

Feb 08, 2013, 01:45 pm #59 Last Edit: Feb 08, 2013, 02:18 pm by rassilonsrod
There's a shot from Planet of Spiders, where I believe it shows the hole in the lamp too....

EDIT: Apparently it just shows the lamp without the housing. My mistake, though I am positive I have seen the hole somewhere.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.