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Started by Teletran, Aug 07, 2009, 01:47 pm

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Rassilons Rod

The Power of the Daleks, Episode 1.
I reckon this is the Mk. 2:
d2-2e-077.jpg
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

tony farrell

What a brilliantly researched new topic. I had no idea that there were two nearly identical chairs.

Nice to see the photo from Dalek Master Plan as, usefully, it shows the chair against the 3D wall (which has even more helpfully had its castors removed). This should enable a true estimate of this chair's height compared to the known diameters of the roundels.

This photo is also from Power of the Daleks. If a larger version of this is available, it might help you decide whether this is the Mark1 or Mark2. (Incidentally, the cutting out of geometrically-shaped holes in the chair's "stretcher" is usually called "fretwork".)

hi000411146.jpg

T

Rassilons Rod

The War Games, Episode 10.
Final appearance of the Mk.2:
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In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

Nov 07, 2015, 04:35 pm #33 Last Edit: Nov 07, 2015, 04:45 pm by rassilonsrod
Here is a list of episodes and which chairs feature in them.
Season 5/6 included for completeness. But the Knossos Throne is favoured and only the Mk.2 appears (in Episode 10 of "The War Games" only).












SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0100PilotVery ornate armchair
0101An Unearthly ChildMK. 1 and Knossos (ep. 1). Mk.2 (ep. 2 and 4).
0102The DaleksEames wire chair (ep.1). Mk. 2. (ep.2 and 6).
0103The Edge of DestructionMK.2 and Sofa
0104Marco Polounknown
0105The Keys of MarinusEpisode 1 shows a very minimal TARDIS set. No chairs seen.

Interior not seen thereafter.
0106The AztecsEpisode 4 shows a very minimal TARDIS set. No chairs seen.
0107The SensoritesKnossos (ep.1). No chairs seen in Episode 6.
0108The Reign of TerrorEpisode 1, no chairs seen. Episode 6, Knossos.













SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0201Planet of GiantsKnossos and Mk.1 (ep.1). Rounded armrest fronts seen?
0202The Dalek Invasion of EarthEpisode 1, only console and back projected rear wall.

Episode 6, only console, doors and scanner seen.
0203The RescueEames Armchair & footstool (ep.1) Mk.2 and Knossos(ep.2).
0204The RomansMk.2 (ep.1 and 6).
0205The Web PlanetMetal stool with small back (equipment area), Knossos (ep.1).
Mk.2 (ep. 2)
Mk.1 (ep. 1)?
0206The CrusadeTARDIS interior not seen until Episode 4. Only in telesnaps, no chairs visible.
0207The Space MuseumNo chairs visible in episode 1.
TARDIS interior does not appear afterwards.
0208The ChaseSofa, Eames Wire Chair (ep.1)
Mk.2 (ep.3)
New style (Richard's throne from Crusades?) (ep.4)
0209The Time MeddlerMk.2 (ep.1)
Not seen in episode 4.














SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0301Galaxy 4Mk.1 or Mk.2 - unclear (missing episode)
0302Mission to the UnknownTARDIS does not appear
0303The Myth MakersUnclear from recon
0304The Daleks' Master Plan
Ep.1 Mk.2
Ep.2-7 TARDIS Interior not seen
Ep.6-9 recon
Ep.10 Knossos and Mk.1/2 (unclear)
Ep.11-12 recon
0305The Massacrerecon
0306The Arkep.4 only Knossos seen
0307The Celestial Toymakerep.1 recon
ep.2&3 TARDIS interior not seen
ep.4 No chairs seen
0308The Gunfighersep.1-3 no TARDIS interior
ep.4 No chairs seen
0309The Savagesepisode 1, no chairs seen
ep.2-4 no TARDIS interior (based on available telesnaps)
0310The War MachinesTARDIS Interior not shown













SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0401The SmugglersUnclear from Telesnaps
0402The Tenth PlanetEp.1 Mk.2
Ep. 4 unclear
0403The Power of the Daleksep.1 Mk.2
ep.2-6 no TARDIS interior seen
0404The HighlandersNo TARDIS interior seen (based on available telesnaps).
0405The Underwater MenaceUnclear from telesnaps
0406The MoonbaseEp.1 unclear from telesnaps
Ep.4 no chairs seen
0407The Macra TerrorNo TARDIS interior on telesnaps
0408The The Faceless OnesNo TARDIS Interior seen
0409The Evil of the DaleksNo TARDIS interior seen











SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0501The Tomb of the CybermenEp.1 only Knossos seen
ep.2-4 no TARDIS interior seen
0502The Abominable SnowmenUnclear from telesnaps
0503The Ice WarriorsTARDIS interior not seen
0504The Enemy of the WorldEp.1-5 TARDIS interior not seen
Ep.6 Knossos.
0505The Web of FearEp.1 Knossos only
0506Fury From The DeepEp.1-5 TARDIS interior not seen
Ep.6 unclear from Telesnaps
0507The Wheel In SpaceEp.1 Unclear from telesnaps
Ep.2-5 TARDIS Interior not seen
Ep.6 No chairs seen.











SeasonNumberEpisodeChair
0601The DominatorsTARDIS Interior not shown
0602The Mind RobberTwo armchairs unrelated to previous models.
0603The InvasionEp.1 Unclear (animated episode, no telesaps).
Ep.2-8 No TARDIS interior seen.
0604The KrotonsNo TARDIS Interior seen
0605The Seeds of DeathEp.1 Knossos
Ep.2-6 No TARDIS Interior seen.
0606The Space PiratesNo TARDIS interior seen
0607The War GamesEp.1-9 Interior not seen.
Ep. 10 Knossos and Mk.2
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

Nov 07, 2015, 04:47 pm #34 Last Edit: Nov 07, 2015, 04:49 pm by rassilonsrod
Cheers, Tony :)

From your photo, I would stick with it being Mk.2 because the side beams at the bottom of the legs seem to be straight with no curves underneath.

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Nov 07, 2015, 04:27 pm
What a brilliantly researched new topic. I had no idea that there were two nearly identical chairs.

Nice to see the photo from Dalek Master Plan as, usefully, it shows the chair against the 3D wall (which has even more helpfully had its castors removed). This should enable a true estimate of this chair's height compared to the known diameters of the roundels.

This photo is also from Power of the Daleks. If a larger version of this is available, it might help you decide whether this is the Mark1 or Mark2. (Incidentally, the cutting out of geometrically-shaped holes in the chair's "stretcher" is usually called "fretwork".)

hi000411146.jpg

T
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

rob49152

Great reference photos. I've modelled this chair a few times over the years and every time I did it because I'd see a photo and think 'wow... I got that part of the chair REALLY wrong!'. Now I find out that there was more than one chair!! Now it all makes sense.

Now I have to make three models. Mk.1, Mk.2 and one for my own that combines them for my console room set.   

Rassilons Rod

I'm not looking forward to doing Richard's throne or the two chairs from Mind Robber.... literally no reference material at all...... :o
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

I've still got a bit of work to do in this thread...... :o
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

galacticprobe

Nov 08, 2015, 06:10 am #38 Last Edit: Nov 08, 2015, 06:26 am by galacticprobe
One thing I've noticed on both the Mk1 and Mk2 is that those gold/brass rosettes that tack the back to the chair change in number. Sometimes there are more on the front (top and sides), and also on the side of the chairs (tacking the backing around the uprights).

So, idealistically, the rosettes tacking the backing to the chair should have this pattern:

 *  * * * * *  *
*  *       *  *
*  *       *  *

(side)      (front)        (side)

Again that's idealistically, since both chairs show the rosettes changing in number. And since I'm speaking "idealistically", if I had the ability to make one of these, (like Rob's "third" he mentions) I would combine the best attributes of the two into one: the ornate uprights of the Mk2, with the tapered armrests and curved leg side cross supports of the Mk1, and also have all of the rosettes in place to hold the backing in place.

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

Rassilons Rod

3 on the sides? Interesting....

Also sometimes theres 1 on the sides of the seat.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

tony farrell

I've combined various screen grabs of the Mk2 chair - does this help? (Drawing not to scale and without chair frame detailing.)

mk2 combo.png

T

Rassilons Rod

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Nov 08, 2015, 12:54 pm
I've combined various screen grabs of the Mk2 chair - does this help? (Drawing not to scale and without chair frame detailing.)

mk2 combo.png

T


Ooooh, you beat me to it! Thanks :)

(My internet is absolutely in the region of bovine excrement at the moment and I can't do much of anything... URGH!!) :(
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

Nov 08, 2015, 02:04 pm #42 Last Edit: Nov 08, 2015, 02:12 pm by rassilonsrod
Slight modification :)

mk2 combo_v2.png
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

tony farrell

Nice tassels Marc!  ;)

I see you've evened up the side brass 'flowers'. I think that either some of these started to fall off/go missing fairly early on and the reason we're seeing them in different positions (i.e., either apparently missing or not) is due to the screen resolution/lighting.

What you need is a couple of decent hi-res photos and to be able to identify the episodes from which they're taken.

T

Rassilons Rod

Ooops, didn't mean to do that with the seat-back flowers!
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.