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Tardis vs. Police Box

As much as I hate to be a killjoy, I'll point out this is a thread in "TARDIS Reference," not "Off-Topic News."  I only mention this because I was considering chiming in to drag things even farther off-topic.  I think we're all still on topic of "TARDIS vs Police Box" but please keep that in mind as we contribute to this discussion.  And on that note, I think I *will* start an off-topic discussion.  :)
 
Though quite a few police boxes were made of wood bar the roof so perhaps the tardis is based on one of them :-

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Volpone said:
And on that note, I think I *will* start an off-topic discussion.  :)

Sorry about that, had I known how much discussion my remark would create... Thank you. :)

Here are the lines of dialogue lymerence pulled up:

They just left. They was in some kind of beat-up old blue wooden box. It just kinda like vanished. Say, I thought they'd have been chasing you. Just hold it there, Mister. I want to get a picture of this.

Are you sure it wasn't square, like a large wooden box?

Neither one is particularly watertight as an indication the Police Box shell was made from wood... In the first instance, the remark is coming from an American character who (very likely) hasn't had any interaction with a non-TARDIS Police Box.  In the second example, the Doctor refers to the TARDIS "like a large wooden box", rather than "It's a large wooden box".
 
To be fair, most police boxes across the country were wooden with only the Met and Glasgow having the TARDIS style boxes in concrete and Edinburgh with thier cast iron ones.

I'm pretty sure that I've seen a Manchester Police Box which was concrete but I'd have to check.

I've often wondered how far a real TARDIS chameleon circuit would go to disguise itself as something else. I mean if it disguised itself as a rock or a tree, where would you put the key, and if it appeared as a van or bus, would you be able to drive it?
 
Don't forget, the "Master's Tardis" has been different things (Pillar, horse float, wooden clock, plus more) & the Doctor's has been a wardrobe at one point too.

Chris.
 
domvar said:
Though quite a few police boxes were made of wood bar the roof so perhaps the tardis is based on one of them :-...
You know, that is a partially formed theory I entertained too.  Ian points out how odd it is for a police box to be in a junkyard instead of on a street corner.  While the likely situation is that a wood prototype box would either be torn down or rot away, the TARDIS may have been trying to imitate a discontinued prototype London police box. 
 
Given that you warned everyone not more than half a dozen posts above that "As much as I hate to be a killjoy, I'll point out this is a thread in "TARDIS Reference," not "Off-Topic News."  I think this post firmly saw the thread fall off the cliff edge and truly now into the reams of off topic-ness!

;D
 
How is this kind of thread even still a thing? The TARDIS is not a police box! It never has been. - It is an alien machine's interpretation of what might pass as one to passerbys.

That's why I'll always maintained that the Newbery box is the most authentic. It's the most TARDIS because it's the least police box.

Police boxes may be concrete, the props may be wood, but the TARDIS is something else entirely.
 
bearded4th said:
That's why I'll always maintained that the Newbery box is the most authentic.

I do hope you're referring to the Newberry in it's Logopolis refit, rather than in it's flat-roofed, rotating beacon configuration. :)
 
bearded4th said:
The TARDIS is not a police box! It never has been. - It is an alien machine's interpretation of what might pass as one to passerbys.

Absolutely.

bearded4th said:
That's why I'll always maintained that the Newbery box is the most authentic. It's the most TARDIS because it's the least police box.

Illogical. That it is alien doesn't mean it is incompetent. In fact if it's meant to fool passers-by it must be accurate more so than not.

I don't have a dog in this fight, but my logical-fallacy-sniffing dog does hunt. :)
 
Hi guys, apologies.  I've been crazy busy at work.  Dalekoracle rightfully pointed out that I was guilty of dragging things off topic as much as anyone else.  As a moderator, I like to stay hands off as much as possible.  That said, when I realized that this wasn't some old, long established thread, I was going to move it to "Off Topic News" and encourage the natural flow of this thread.  But again, crazy busy at work.  So by the time I got around to it, it was moved already.  So rather than move it again, I'll just try to stay out of the way.  Have fun kids. 
 
You know I think I've pinpointed the exact moment when the left-hand door was first used.

When the show was first broadcast, the Police Box was familiar to the whole viewing public, probably since police films and TV shows set in London would have been shown across the whole of the UK, and dramatic moments would have had characters running for the nearest box to use the phone.  So the public knows full well what a Police Box is, and what it looks like.  Hence the use of a familiar but incongruous spaceship on the show.

But do they know which doors open? Outside London & Glasgow, probably not, since most drama probably only showed someone using the phone, not going into the box.  However, Londoners would most likely know, and the BBC production crew, while not all being Londoners, worked and maybe lived in London, because that's where Doctor Who was made. So they're all familiar with the Police Box too, and make a pretty good effort at making it authentic (even down to the opened windows in "Worlds End").

Now I've not watched a few Hartnell stories, but what I have seen has always had characters entering and leaving the ship through the right door (which the Doctor obviously opens with a key). At no point is the left door used, and I would think this is because a) it would show too much of the inside and b) you'd have the odd Londoner writing into the BBC pointing out how inaccurate it was.  I'm not up on Troughton stories either but I've a feeling the same is true, everyone looks out of and uses the single door.

Now we get to the 70s, and Pertwee's still using one door...until 1973 and "Three Doctors". 

Right at the end of Episode 1, the Doctor runs out to confront the "gell bridge" and Jo runs after him...and the left-hand door is open and swinging. I think they needed that extra space for the drama of the scene - the doorway has to be wider to allow for the action.  That kind of breaks the unspoken rule that the TARDIS only has one door, and from then onwards it's Two-Door-City whenever the plot (or the action) requires it.

Of course if someone can point out a Troughton or Hartnell story where both doors are used, then my theory doesn't hold water.  Come to think of it, isn't there a Pertwee episode where he drives Bessie out of the TARDIS?  I've re-watched most of Pertwee, and I have a feeling it's in Season 7, but I can't remember which story it is.  He'd certainly need both doors open for that, but I kind of remember it was viewed from the side (much like the motorbike cop scene in the TVM, so the doors wouldn't have been visible.  I'm off to watch The Silurians now.
 
lorisarvendu said:
Come to think of it, isn't there a Pertwee episode where he drives Bessie out of the TARDIS?  I've re-watched most of Pertwee, and I have a feeling it's in Season 7, but I can't remember which story it is.  He'd certainly need both doors open for that, but I kind of remember it was viewed from the side (much like the motorbike cop scene in the TVM, so the doors wouldn't have been visible.  I'm off to watch The Silurians now.

No I don't think  there was ever a Bessie exiting scene BUT more importantly how the hell did he get the Console out in Inferno!  ;D
 
I distinctly remember seeing it on TV sometime in the early 70s.  It was obviously done with split-screen.  I remember someone female standing by, watching as the car drove out, and always assumed it was Liz Shaw.  But now I'm wondering if it was Valerie Singleton and that it was actually on an episode of Blue Peter or something!
 
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this earlier but if I recall correctly, the actual first potential episode to use the left hand door is the Pilot when Barbara first enters the Tardis. Not sure if they changed it for the re-shoot.
 
Ah curses! My theory goes up in smoke.  I'm just watching Episode 3 of "Terror of the Autons" and the Doctor's walking towards the TARDIS...left-hand door wide open.  Back to the drawing board...
 
petewilson said:
...how the hell did he get the Console out in Inferno!   ;D

I think the console may have already been outside the TARDIS by the time of "Inferno". The Doctor had it outside the TARDIS, and in a sort of combination sitting room/lab, in "Ambassadors Of Death", where he fiddled with it causing himself and Liz Shaw to alternately move a few seconds into the future, before catching up to each other. (Though they never showed or explained how he got it outside then either.)

Dino.
 
We've seen the console do short hops through time by itself; perhaps it can also do short hops through space...
or maybe he did what we have to do - take it through in pieces...
 
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