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Nottingham Police Boxes

My wife was sent this photo by one of her Facebook friends, along with the caption "Can you see the Tardis in this photo?".

I'm guessing he means hiding behind the phonebox, but isn't that the National Gallery in Trafalgar Square?  I thought there were no boxes in Central London, only Posts?

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EDIT: Unknown Box thread merged with Nottingham Police Box thread in Non-TARDIS-like Police Boxes section. -- banzai
 
No, that's not Trafalgar Square, nor the Royal Exchange (I checked).

The films date this to mid 1965 (The Sound of Music was released on March 29th in the UK, The Knack on June 3rd).
 
Duh! It's the Market Square in Nottingham as seen from Angel Row!  That's the old Odeon cinema on the right, and what is now Yates Wine Bar on the left, with the Town Hall straight ahead.  So that's the old Nottingham Market Square police box.

I work in Nottingham, I should have recognised this.
 
Apparently.

Some reports are that the original Nottingham boxes were garden shed type boxes like Sunderland and Newcastle, but that these were replaced by the newer model pictured.

Another view of this later type Box - circa the 1970s --

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A bit later --

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The Market Square Box has since been moved and restored.

Here it is during restoration work --

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Here is what it looks like now at its new home --

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Totally agree with you! An earlier Nottingham Box is on display at the Galleries of Justice in the town.
A picture of it can be seen here:
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g186356-d298383-i113630175-Galleries_of_Justice-Nottingham_Nottinghamshire_England.html

 
I saw that Galleries of Justice Box, but I read in one of the entries about it somewhere that it was actually pulled from Sunderland when they were decommissioned (in fact I have a newspaper article somewhere about their demise), so not a Nottingham Box at all - chose not to post a photo of it because of that uncertainty.

Along with the Met and Glasgow designs, I'd place the Edinburgh Boxes up there as really a great design. But then both were done by quite good Scottish architects, after all.

Interestingly, I've been reading some memos that indicate that the Royal Fine Art Commission (the body responsible for sponsoring the competition that gave rise to the iconic K2 and K6 GPO Telephone Kiosk design), had a very different opinion about the Met Police Box design. I don't have a copy of their report, but according to the Met/HO memos the Commission didn't like it at all. As early as 1938 there was a call to have an outside architect design a replacement, but it was shelved for a few months and then the war intervened. It was brought up again in 1947, but questions about how long police boxes would be needed at all since radio was beginning to come into its own shelved the idea. In the end, all we got was the simplified (some might say bastardized) Mark 5's (aka Mark 3's before we knew any better) a few years later.

One wonders what might have been (for ill or not) and what the TARDIS might have looked like as a result.

Very strange reality check considering most of us think the original Met Box is iconic - just a really, really good design. Great proportions, great architectural touches, etc, especially as originally designed by Trench - before all those odd tweaks with the roof done by the builders and all the chopping up of the front for the speakerphone units in the Glasgow boxes.
 
I feel sure that Nottingham had no boxes as such and relied upon police posts of some design or other. Not sure if I read it.

The box posted above appears to be no earlier than the 70's, this being based on ex Notts police officers recollections, and from what they both said - this was the only one.

The galleries of justice box does appear to be a Sunderland box and the last time I saw it, needed attention to its door. There were some blueprints for the Sunderland box on Flickr (don't have my laptop with me to share) and the box is coloured green same as the Sheffield ones were (and still are in the case of the sole survivor ).
 
Hmmm, Nottingham.

I think I can say with some degree of certainty at this point that Nottingham did indeed have proper kiosk type Police Boxes from a fairly early date.

In just looking at the OS Maps, with a rather cursory and random search, I was able to find at least nine PCB/Box marked objects and one PTP/Post, all dating from 1954 or earlier (no OS Maps of the right scale seem to be available for the area from the 1930s and 1940s), with most continuing on into at least the late 1960s. Interestingly, the Old Market Square Box that started this thread only shows up in the 1960s and later OS Maps, so it appears to have been a late arrival.

In looking at other sources, it would appear that the original Nottingham Boxes were shed types which were installed as early as the mid-1920s, after Crawley's success with the concept in Sunderland and Newcastle. In fact, Nottingham was one of the cites with installed Police Box Systems that Gilbert Mackenzie Trench and Assistant Commissioner George Abiss visited in early 1929, when they went on a fact finding mission while finalizing the Met's own kiosk design and Box System prior to the final experimental installations at Richmond and Wood Green. They also visited Salford, Manchester, Sheffield, and Birmingham.

I don't have the specifics of the Nottingham system when they visited it at hand - I'll have to look up my copy of their report. According to John Bunker, however, by the late 1920s Nottingham had "a number of timber built boxes (7 feet 6 inches by 5 feet 8 inches) operating with blue signal lights."

Nottingham apparently also had some 100 "call points" on the streets (probably of the pull alarm type) which were connected to both the Fire Brigade and the City Police, who were thinking of installing their own proprietary Pillars (with telephones) to replace these as late as 1937, despite the GPO's own PA1 Pillars then being in common use throughout most of the provincial Police Forces by that time.
 
It looks like this page has not had a up date for sometime so I thought I would post this non Tardis type Police box in Nottingham.

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I remember it well there was a few around Nottingham at the time.

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its on the corner of king Edwards street NG1 1EU about 1980 just before they (who they are who knows) had them pulled down It was next to the power sub station now a climbing centre.
I remember passing to as a kid going to see my grandparents and years later using it as a young Copper in Nottingham. There was one in Snention area of Nottingham but unable to find any pics of it, attached to the Police station now closed.
 
Very cool!

Certainly a better photo of one of the early type Nottingham Boxes than I've been able to find so far. The 1984 OS map shows it was gone by then.

Really great shot.

8)
 
I've taken the liberty of merging all the Nottingham topics and threads together.

This is the best ground photo of an older type Nottingham Box I'd been able to find before Senseidale's wonderful pic --

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The Police Box is the smaller shed-like structure on the left hand side of this photo (though note that it's actually a bit larger than a Sunderland/Newcastle Box). It was the Box on The Promenade (aka the 'Prom') in the Lenton district of Nottingham, a triangle of land at the junction of Castle Boulevard, Sherwin Road, Willoughby Street, and Abbey Bridge. The building in the centre is the Tram Shed (shelter) at the bottom of Willoughby Street, which we're looking up on the right.
 
Hi all I was talking to an buddy who is a collector (as I am) of Police memorabilia last night over a few beers and we got  to the talking about police boxes in particular the old market sq Box, that is as we all know now is outside Police HQ, to cut a long story shot my Buddy would like replica building, he is going to make a few calls to  a contact at Police HQ so we can get measurements close up pics for reference I don't think the build will start until the warmer months, but will draw up build plans over the coming weeks. I will start a new tread,
Q where is the best place to post the build when  it gets started.


So on to the thread i was trying to reference  pics of said box out there  on the net, but I came across this tread on a "History of Nottingham site".
There was a police box (shed) that was next to Trent Bridge and was situated immediately after Turneys Leather works, now luxury apartments, not very good pics,  according to the thread it was there until the 1960's also there are other Boxes/ post around but I can find any photo's.
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Dale

update on a post in June 15 the box/  kiosk that was on King Edwards Street in now in the hands of a ex police officer and collector, I will try to use my buddy who know the owner and get some pics, maybe in future make a replica of this one who knows.
 
That is great news Dale, I'm glad there is another real police box that is safe and still in existance, and seeing some pictures of this one would be brill.

As for the one at Police HQ, when I visited they couldn't find the key so I couldn't check it out fully. If you do go ahead with a replica, how about putting it in "Build Diaries, Other Props"? Or perhaps it would be better suited to "Poice Boxes, Non TARDIS like" because there would be the reference information about the original that would be suited to that topic area?
 
Hi Mark
I trust all is well, when I get the go ahead to go up to see the box at Sherwood HQ and take close up pics and measurements ect if you are free you can  pop along at the same time, if my memory serves the key that is issued to all serving officers wil fit the lock on the box that is if they have not  changed the barrel, I was issues one as a young contsable many years ago in an other life but alas had to hand all my kit back apart from a few bits I still have.
I will PM you with dates ect.
Regards Dale :)
 
Cheers Dale, I am definitely up for that, and there is the "Burnt Stump" next door for a beer afterwards!

I agree with you about the keys opening all police buildings. When issued to me up in Sheffield, the key was still referred to as a "box key", and childishly I rushed off to the town Hall police box (still about today) to check it worked.

Sent you a pm by the way
 
Hi Mark PM sent
It a pity you don't have the key, but some stuff you can get away with keeping and things you can not, my key and warrant card are deaf no no's
Dale
 
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