russellsuthern
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You've got me intrigued now... 
Russ
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Jelly Babies and the like
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Volpone
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Someone pointed out an American chain that sells Jelly Babies by weight. Lolli & Pops, IIRC. There's 2 stores on the Rich side of town. Bought a bag awhile back. Plastic, not white paper, so since the white paper bags wear out, I'm always on the lookout for more. I might argue that a better question is "why did they use licorice allsorts for "Jelly Babies" in more than a few episodes? (The Pirate Planet being the most egregious.)
russellsuthern
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AArrgghh! Don't remind me of that!!
I try to blot it out of my mind as it bugs me to hell.
I'm sure it was one of those time constraint things:
"We've run out of jelly babies...nip out & get some."
"No time! This scene needs to be in the can in half an hour!"
"Ok, well I've got some liquorice allsorts in my bag... let's use those...No one will EVER notice..."
Over 30 years later a viewer sits screaming at the telly...
"They're NOT jelly babies!! What were they THINKING??!!??!!"
Regards,
Russell
I try to blot it out of my mind as it bugs me to hell.
I'm sure it was one of those time constraint things:
"We've run out of jelly babies...nip out & get some."
"No time! This scene needs to be in the can in half an hour!"
"Ok, well I've got some liquorice allsorts in my bag... let's use those...No one will EVER notice..."
Over 30 years later a viewer sits screaming at the telly...
"They're NOT jelly babies!! What were they THINKING??!!??!!"
Regards,
Russell
scotland yard
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Actually, Tom Baker didn't like jelly babies! So that's why a lot of the times he offers jelly babies but in reality are liquorice allsorts, which he did like.
russellsuthern
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I heard he didn't like jelly babies too, so It's a possibility....
Perhaps in the earlier years he behaved himself, but in the later seasons when he started to "throw his weight around" a bit more, he substituted the jelly babies for sweets he preferred, because it was HIS show & he could do what he damn well liked!!
Russ
Perhaps in the earlier years he behaved himself, but in the later seasons when he started to "throw his weight around" a bit more, he substituted the jelly babies for sweets he preferred, because it was HIS show & he could do what he damn well liked!!
Russ
redfern
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I've tried both since the local Publix (a slightly upscale chain supermarket popular in the southeast States) carried both. Ugh! I'm normally adverse to wasting food, but the "Allsorts" tasted so vile (on my tongue, anyway) that I sacrified the 3 dollars and chucked them. On the other hand, I genuinely love "jelly babies", and not simply because of Doctor Who. Oh, that's how I learned of them, yes, but I find the texture and flavors quite pleasing in of themselves, and I'm normally a chocolate kind of fellow.
Sincerely,
Bill
Sincerely,
Bill
Volpone
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Around 1988 a drug store chain in the US had Jelly Babies for awhile. Had the classic yellow Basset's box (IIRC, it *was* a long time ago) and they were shaped like Jelly Babies, but they didn't have the cornstarch coating and they basically tasted like Gummi Bears. I wish I could get those again.
redfern
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A "box modeled" jelly baby mesh employing extrusion and subdivision techniques loosely based upon the Taveners brand I can locally purchase. I also created a greyscale "displacement" map to depict the eyes, nose and navel. The underside is slightly concave, just like the actual sweet.
Sincerely,
Bill
russellsuthern
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That looks good!
"Fake" jelly babies would be a great way of ensuring you don't have to keep buying new ones. They'd be great as part of a Dr Who collection display, as well.
Of course, you wouldn't then have the fun of handing them out at conventions....
I'd be terrified someone might get hold of them & start munching on them by mistake... a bit like those comedy scenes where someone takes a big bite out of a piece of wax fruit...
Btw: How do you eat your jelly babies?
I always bite the head off first... It's kinder in the long run.. ;D
Cheers,
Russell
"Fake" jelly babies would be a great way of ensuring you don't have to keep buying new ones. They'd be great as part of a Dr Who collection display, as well.
Of course, you wouldn't then have the fun of handing them out at conventions....
I'd be terrified someone might get hold of them & start munching on them by mistake... a bit like those comedy scenes where someone takes a big bite out of a piece of wax fruit...
Btw: How do you eat your jelly babies?
I always bite the head off first... It's kinder in the long run.. ;D
Cheers,
Russell
Volpone
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You may be onto something there. Actually this crossed my mind but I never pursued it: Jelly Baby molds. I have a line on Jelly Babies now, but they are spendy and I don't particularly like them. I would think any of this kind of confection would melt when heated and resolidify when cooled, so you could (in theory) melt down store brand Gummy Bears and pour them into Jelly Baby molds. I wonder if I'd have to line the molds with cornstarch, thus leaving only the money savings as a reason for all the extra work.
Beautiful tesselation there, Bill!
redfern said:
redfern
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Stemming from this post...
https://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?msg=126483
...here we see the Doctor visiting his favorite sweet shop to restock his supply of jelly babies.
It turns out I had purchased but forgotten about assets that depict a quasi Victorian styled candy store. The set contains a bunch of Christmas themed accessories, but when omitted, the "stage" works for other times of the year.
Both Tom Baker's Doctor and the aged proprietor are the same base mesh, Michael 4. That model (and many others offered at daz3d.com) are designed to "morph" into different characters.
russellsuthern
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Great pic.
I love Toms scarf, & his likeness is very accurate.
The whole scene has a very nice vintage vibe.
The sweet shop owner is very buff, tho...
My first thought was, "What's Jason Statham doing running a sweet shop?!"
You could do a whole graphic novel in this style-
It'd look awesome!!
Regards,
Russell
I love Toms scarf, & his likeness is very accurate.
The whole scene has a very nice vintage vibe.
The sweet shop owner is very buff, tho...
My first thought was, "What's Jason Statham doing running a sweet shop?!"
You could do a whole graphic novel in this style-
It'd look awesome!!
Regards,
Russell
jam jar lurker
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kutan66 said:
I've very fond memories of the Iron Legion from back in the day. Think I've got the graphic novel somewhere inaccessible upstairs.
Did anyone get the Big Finish version? Was it good?
Francïs
redfern
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I updated my previous post with a new render, attempting to slim down the shop owner and his clothing. Hopefully without getting too technical, I added a control to "emaciate" the figure and copy that setting to his clothing. I tweaked his shirt sleeves in particular. I will note there is a systemic limitation with this particular figure and others from the same range when it comes to the shoulders. When the arms are lowered, the deltoids tend to bulge, suggesting exercise when one might not want that effect. There (or were) control sets to counteract effects like this, but this figure and others of the Millennium 4 series are so old that many "add on" packages are simply no longer available.
Anyway, I did what I could without spending days on what I consider a "digital doodle".
Oh, to clarify, this is not meant to be a recreation or adaptation of the "Iron Legion" comic, especially since somebody noted the shopkeeper gets brutally killed. Nah, I'd like to believe this quaint fellow has a long and relatively happy life. (Yeah, I realize that seldom happens when somebody meets the Doctor.)
BTW, thanks for the kind words and "up" votes, everyone!
Sincerely,
Bill
Anyway, I did what I could without spending days on what I consider a "digital doodle".
Oh, to clarify, this is not meant to be a recreation or adaptation of the "Iron Legion" comic, especially since somebody noted the shopkeeper gets brutally killed. Nah, I'd like to believe this quaint fellow has a long and relatively happy life. (Yeah, I realize that seldom happens when somebody meets the Doctor.)
BTW, thanks for the kind words and "up" votes, everyone!
Sincerely,
Bill
russellsuthern
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I quite like the idea of the Doctor having acquaintances who he sees regularly, but they never get involved in his adventures & don't die in a horrible way.
I can imagine the sweet shop owner saying to a friend, "There's this crazy guy, wonderful bloke, but quite bonkers, he comes in every six months or so & completely buys me out of jelly babies.
Nothing else, mind you... Just jelly babies... then he always goes off saying he's wanted over the other side of the universe or back in the 16th century.... seriously, you see all sorts in this job!"
(Allsorts... geddit?! I'll get me coat...
)
Cheers!
Russell
I can imagine the sweet shop owner saying to a friend, "There's this crazy guy, wonderful bloke, but quite bonkers, he comes in every six months or so & completely buys me out of jelly babies.
Nothing else, mind you... Just jelly babies... then he always goes off saying he's wanted over the other side of the universe or back in the 16th century.... seriously, you see all sorts in this job!"
(Allsorts... geddit?! I'll get me coat...
)Cheers!
Russell
Volpone
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This relates to my noncanon Doctor costume. I suspect it is a young 1st Doctor and not a later iteration but that's irrelevant. The point is, I found the shirt I wear for it at a Target around 2005. Loved it. But eventually it wore out and by 2007 even a place like Target didn't have the same shirt again so I had to replace it with something I didn't like as much for a daily wear shirt. But although (or because? Hold that thought) it is a bit too ratty to wear daily, if I only break it out for special occasions I can probably get a few more years out of it. It has French cuffs and I picked up some cufflinks that looked great with it. And then I lost one. So when I turned it into a The Doctor shirt, I splurged on some "?" key typewriter cufflinks. Then one of them broke. A jeweler friend said he could fix it but that it would wind up costing more than a new set of cufflinks so it went in the change plate with the other cufflink that was missing its mate. Then I realized I could wear this completely mismatched pair of cufflinks and it would fit with the style of a classic Doctor costume.
That's a long way to get to the point, but my point is, I feel like the 2nd Doctor was on the mark regarding the Doctor's clothes, in that they were a little shabby in some ways. The TARDIS (at least in the classic series) wasn't terribly reliable. And even if it was, you'd have to be at least a little careful to avoid damaging the spacetime continuum to get a shirt or pair of cufflinks. Or that tie you really liked that you bought in a Mall in Hawai'i. But what store was it? After hundreds of years it's easy to lose track. So it makes sense to me that The Doctor would wear worn out, threadbare clothes, because he found a shirt or a tie or something he really liked and he couldn't get the TARDIS back to where he bought it. Or he'd already been back enough times and bought up enough versions of it that he couldn't risk bumping into himself or showing up on security cameras in 2 different places simultaneously or something so he had to make do with the last one he had.
Also, Jelly Babies.
That's a long way to get to the point, but my point is, I feel like the 2nd Doctor was on the mark regarding the Doctor's clothes, in that they were a little shabby in some ways. The TARDIS (at least in the classic series) wasn't terribly reliable. And even if it was, you'd have to be at least a little careful to avoid damaging the spacetime continuum to get a shirt or pair of cufflinks. Or that tie you really liked that you bought in a Mall in Hawai'i. But what store was it? After hundreds of years it's easy to lose track. So it makes sense to me that The Doctor would wear worn out, threadbare clothes, because he found a shirt or a tie or something he really liked and he couldn't get the TARDIS back to where he bought it. Or he'd already been back enough times and bought up enough versions of it that he couldn't risk bumping into himself or showing up on security cameras in 2 different places simultaneously or something so he had to make do with the last one he had.
Also, Jelly Babies.
redfern
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Not about jelly babies, but something of similar size...
Remember those budget minded bags or buckets of "green army men" that were (and still are, I guess) sold at discount stores, injection molded in a semi-pliable plastic? Some packs came with absurdly under scaled vehicles like jeeps or tanks that had no undercarriage, just a hollow space underneath?
Were there ever any Doctor Who themed sets of a similar nature? Bags of Daleks and Cybermen, maybe some of those "army men" thrown in to represent UNIT soldiers? I imagine if something like that were produced in the mid 70s, such packs might have contained a Tom Baker figurine and a hollow shell of a police box with no actual bottom, likely undersized.
I suspect nothing similar existed, but it's easy to imagine it could have.
What motivated this question? Some company will be releasing sets later this year that will contain similar scaled (roughly 2 inches) figurines based on Star Trek, one focusing on the 1966 series and another upon "Next Generation". The sets will not contain "armies" of figures, just single castings of specific crew and some select aliens. I also suspect they will NOT be frugally priced like those vintage army figures. Somebody daydreamed of Trek themed army men packs available in the 70s (when that person was a kid, I imagine), and that got me wondering if DW was ever marketed that way.
Sincerely,
Bill
Remember those budget minded bags or buckets of "green army men" that were (and still are, I guess) sold at discount stores, injection molded in a semi-pliable plastic? Some packs came with absurdly under scaled vehicles like jeeps or tanks that had no undercarriage, just a hollow space underneath?
Were there ever any Doctor Who themed sets of a similar nature? Bags of Daleks and Cybermen, maybe some of those "army men" thrown in to represent UNIT soldiers? I imagine if something like that were produced in the mid 70s, such packs might have contained a Tom Baker figurine and a hollow shell of a police box with no actual bottom, likely undersized.
I suspect nothing similar existed, but it's easy to imagine it could have.
What motivated this question? Some company will be releasing sets later this year that will contain similar scaled (roughly 2 inches) figurines based on Star Trek, one focusing on the 1966 series and another upon "Next Generation". The sets will not contain "armies" of figures, just single castings of specific crew and some select aliens. I also suspect they will NOT be frugally priced like those vintage army figures. Somebody daydreamed of Trek themed army men packs available in the 70s (when that person was a kid, I imagine), and that got me wondering if DW was ever marketed that way.
Sincerely,
Bill