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Hartnell Central Column - Want to make a real one?

Started by Rassilons Rod, Oct 22, 2007, 07:26 am

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karsthotep

Oct 26, 2007, 04:18 pm #15 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:27 pm by scarfwearer
I would definately be interested in getting bits for a future rotor build depending on cost.  What is it looking like to get this stuff laser cut?  PM me or post here, I am VERY interested.

Karsten
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

Rassilons Rod

Oct 26, 2007, 04:30 pm #16 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:28 pm by scarfwearer
It ran to about £70 for the first image I think...

Could get the cost down, but the problem is that you need 3 different materials and 2nd two won't fit on a smaller template.

However if we make the template good for several people to cut their bits out (ooh er!!) then it might make it more ecconomical.

-Marc

EDIT: I think it would certainly be easy to make the 2nd two templates good for 2 lots of parts. And maybe if we go for the biggest of the 3 templates, we could get the cost down even more.

I'm in the UK now so I don't have any of my stuff with me... = Can't make any more templates until I get back to Finland (Will be back in play on Nov 5th).
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karsthotep

Oct 26, 2007, 06:21 pm #17 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:28 pm by scarfwearer
Well keep me in the loop on this,  I had intitially wanted to try a hartnell rotor for my build but decided against it as it seemed to complicated at the time.  But I am interested in attempting this at some point.  I'll keep an eye out but PM me if I ever miss anthing

Karsten
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

Rassilons Rod

Oct 26, 2007, 07:00 pm #18 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:28 pm by scarfwearer
Absolutely :)

At the very least, when I come to get the pieces printed for myself I'll see if you're ready to make a deal :)

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

Oct 26, 2007, 07:13 pm #19 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:28 pm by scarfwearer
PS, Have to say... I'm really glad you guys are interested in this. I put a lot of work into the research and it makes me feel great that its appreciated :)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

karsthotep

Oct 27, 2007, 04:51 pm #20 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:29 pm by scarfwearer
Oh trust me, it is..I for one am glad you are taking the time to do the research on this.  It really benefits everyone and for that I am grateful.

Karst
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

mechanoid

Mar 09, 2008, 09:57 pm #21 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:29 pm by scarfwearer
I suppose you guys probably have these screen shots from "The Time Meddler" but thought you might like a look as they are the clearest I have seen of the inards. Shows some damage even by this relatively early time. Looks something like sellotape on the outer housing and I don't know what that spare rod is doing?

http://www.grahamgough.com/columnInards/index.htm

kiwidoc

Mar 09, 2008, 11:21 pm #22 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:29 pm by scarfwearer
Nice captures, new to me.  Cheers.
Quote from: graybags34 board=console thread=1193037993 post=1205099843I suppose you guys probably have these screen shots from "The Time Meddler" but thought you might like a look as they are the clearest I have seen of the inards. Shows some damage even by this relatively early time. Looks something like sellotape on the outer housing and I don't know what that spare rod is doing?

http://www.grahamgough.com/columnInards/index.htm

Rassilons Rod

Mar 10, 2008, 06:48 am #23 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:29 pm by scarfwearer
One of the flags is flipped (that happened during season 1 (inbetween The Aztecs and The Sensorites). And I notice there is a strip of plastic covering the join in the sheet of that makes the big tube... But that may have been there from the start and I just haven't realised yet (due to poor quality grabs).

There is mostly damage to the console in the beginning. i.e. (not that its real DAMAGE as such... the paint is scratched off the bulbs in the panels in early episodes of Season 1.

What other damage are you seeing in these grabs?

Great quality btw... I'm considering revising the shapes of some of my innards again now! lol :)

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

mechanoid

Mar 10, 2008, 07:21 pm #24 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:30 pm by scarfwearer
I think the join is actually a split that has been repaired with sellotape from what I see, cos it does not look very regular. Does anyone know if it was a perfect tube or it was joined in the first place? But I can't make out what the extended rod is doing, unless it was a repair unfinished?

Rassilons Rod

Mar 11, 2008, 06:42 am #25 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:30 pm by scarfwearer
Which extended rod?

Oh I SEE... Hmm it looks like just hasn't been cut off yet or something... unless there's a similar one on the other side...

I really didn't notice that on first viewing...

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

Mar 11, 2008, 08:14 am #26 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:30 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: rassilonsrod board=console thread=1193037993 post=1205217741Which extended rod?

Oh I SEE... Hmm it looks like just hasn't been cut off yet or something... unless there's a similar one on the other side...

I really didn't notice that on first viewing...

-Marc


I have just seen the thing in The Sensorites and also in The Mind Robber.... This makes me think it must be part of the design and we have only managed to see one of them (I can't believe they would only do one like that on purpose...).

It makes me question wether or not the top ring had dropped or not by the time it came to Inferno and Ambassadors... I'll have to check my grabs from those stories again!

And here it is again in The Crusades!

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

purpleblancmange

Mar 11, 2008, 09:02 am #27 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:30 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: graybags34 board=console thread=1193037993 post=1205176890I think the join is actually a split that has been repaired with sellotape from what I see, cos it does not look very regular. Does anyone know if it was a perfect tube or it was joined in the first place?


Although I've not really said anything on this subject, I'm more than convinced that the outer column is a wrapped sheet with a join down one side.  All the later ones up to The Five Doctors had this too... with some very obvious tiny bolts on either side of the join.

If you look at the top plate of the early column, you'll see that the sheet is screwed to it - this is the cheapest way of producing the full outer tube.  Even today you're looking at well over £1000  to get an extruded tube and back in '63 there would not have been the budget to cover such an outlay. 

Sometimes this join has a clear strip running down it (with bolts) and also tape as shown above - in the late Pertwee period, there were two aluminium strips which were so obvious, I think it was actually made into a feature.

I know this doesn't really move the research forward, but there you go anyway.

celation

Mar 11, 2008, 10:46 am #28 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:31 pm by scarfwearer
Marc,

This thread is really great research!

One quick check - are you sure you have those numbers right? The numbers seem like values for the radius, not the diameter. 5mm, for example, seems *really* thin for the thin rods.

If they were radii, it would be closer to my estimates - half inch for the thin rods (13mm), and an inch for the thicker (26mm).

Sorry to pick, but I'd hate anyone to be getting something laser cut, only for it to be half scale! :)

Cheers,

C.

Rassilons Rod

Mar 11, 2008, 12:09 pm #29 Last Edit: Apr 23, 2010, 01:31 pm by scarfwearer
Thats true...

I'm away from friday, but when I get back, I'll find time to go over the measurements again.

Not looked at it for a while so its not fresh in my mind......

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.