In BBC Plans for the SIDRAT, we noted that the SIDRAT and TARDIS Capsule props were used interchangeably in 'The War Games,' when we see them in an endless row on Gallifrey.

It's likely that Steven Moffat refers to that row specifically in his latest screenplay, 'The Name of the Doctor.' I'm also guessing that word didn't reach the design team that Moffat was describing something that had already been designed.

In any case, our earliest glimpse of The Doctor's TARDIS looks a bit different than the capsules in 'The War Games.' Perhaps capsules get 'desktop theme' updates - that could also explain how The Doctor and The Master maintain similar TARDIS interiors.

Here's a load of reference material I grabbed today. I've also included the cover of an upcoming Big Finish audio that features this new (old) capsule.

Keep an eye out for the following:

• There appears to be a substantial gap between the rotating door and the capsule.


• Some shots are monochrome Citadel surveillance footage.


• Others are partially in colour.


• Others still are full colour, albeit desaturated.


• The closeup of Clara is for texture. It looks like cast iron or TARDIS coral.

I'd be grateful if anyone would take a crack at measuring this vehicle!

- Pete

Couple of quick notes about the Big Finish cover:

We TARDISers haven't had a go at the capsule yet and already the design is changing. Note the cill added to the bottom of the door and the sharp edge on the roof. To be fair, BF and the artist have certainly put a lot of care into that cover - note the 'Deadly Assassin' panopticon dais underneath!

The ironic thing about the Big Finish cover is the original version had a pyramid-shaped TARDIS like the Rani's.

Now as far as the TARDISes in The Name of the Doctor goes, we don't know what models those are besides the one the Doctor takes being a Type 40.  We don't know the models in the landing by in The War Games either, but they are obviously newer models.  Chances are the SIDRATs were based off the newer types seen in The War Games instead of the older models like in The Name of the Doctor.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

All of the TARDISes lined up in "The Name of the Doctor" are probably the same model. (I think one of the Timelords on watch looks at the screen when the alert sounds and says something like 'Who would be crazy enough to steal an old broken-down Type 40?' Not an exact quote, but I believe it's close. This leads one to believe that all of those cylindrical TARDISes are Type-40s, and that there is some sort of malfunction in each one.)

The facts we do have from series dialogue are:

• It was established early on (in the Hartnell era) that the Doctor's TARDIS was in for repairs when he stole her (the term "stolen" being used back then, and in the Tennant story "Planet of the Dead");

• The Doctor's TARDIS is a Mark 1 ("The Time Meddler");

• The Meddling Monk's TARDIS is/was a Mark 4 (again, "The Time Meddler");

• The Timelords in "The War Games" refer to the Doctor's TARDIS as being outdated (I can't remember the exact phrasing, but there was mention of it); So it would be safe to say that those TARDISes seen in "The War Games" are more advanced models. (Why do they - aside from the coloring and door height - have the same basic outer shape as the pre-TARDIS SIDRATs? Maybe Timelord engineers learned that this shape was better suited for TARDIS building than the cylindrical one, and thus modified/updated the old SIDRAT shell? And it was mentioned in "War Games" dialogue that the SIDRATs pre-dated the TARDISes and were inferior, which is why the War Chief wanted to get his hands on the Doctor's TARDIS);

• The Master's TARDIS is/was a Mark 2 (I can't remember the episode, but in one of the Pertwee stories the Doctor steals the Master's Demat Circuit to use in his own TARDIS, and ends up bemoaning the fact that the Demat Circuit for a Mark 2 won't work in a Mark 1);

• The Master (Delgado's and Ainley's incarnations) often referred to the Doctor's TARDIS as being "decrepit" compared to his (various episodes); It should be noted here that the Master possessed more than one TARDIS ("The Keeper of Traken"), so maybe this second TARDIS was a Mark 3? (Though, by "Keeper of Traken", the "Mark" terminology had fallen by the wayside in the Classic Series);

• The Type-40s were ancient and had been recalled ("The Deadly Assassin" and "The Invasion of Time");

• The Type-40 was a museum piece when the Doctor was young ("The Doctor's Wife").

The fact that the Teselecta's records ID the Doctor's TARDIS as a "Mark 3" could be attributed to the other fact that the Teselecta's records weren't always correct; (in 'Let's Kill Hitler" it did arrive too early to kill Hitler, and its crew didn't realize it at first.)

So taking all this and what Bill said in his post, it can be inferred with some certainty that the Doctor's TARDIS was one of the many Type-40s in for repairs, his TARDIS is a Mark 1, and the Timelords decided that a cube-shape worked better than a cylinder, and reverted to the SIDRAT's shape for later models.

As far as the "Marks" go: they could be counting a TARDIS rebuild/regeneration as an advancement to the next "Mark" - the Classic Series and TVM TARDIS being the "Mark 1", the 9th/10th Doctor's post-Time War TARDIS regeneration (as said in the books and BF Audio was so damaged that it took nearly a century to rebuild herself) as becoming the "Mark 2", and the post-explosive 10th to 11th Doctor regeneration TARDIS rebuild as becoming the "Mark 3" the Teselecta detected. (But personally, I'm not buying into that. The Doctor's TARDIS is a Mark 1, established in "The Time Meddler", and as a huge Hartnell fan in my hearts she will always be a Mark 1.)

Dino.

They've changed it again! Can't find any good images of it though... It seems smaller and has two doors rather then one sliding door.

Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 20, 2013, 01:51 am
Ah... but these sort of discussions can sometimes be quite stimulating. Just look at the lengthy discussions we've had on the TARDIS and console props alone! (Not to mention the ones that have allowed Tony to create one of the most accurate Pilot episode TARDIS interior set drawings ever!)

Not the pilot.... But episode 1

Quote from: rassilonsrod on Dec 06, 2015, 01:54 pm
Not the pilot.... But episode 1

Oops. Sorry; my mistake. Aside from the increased details done to the console, I believe the layout of the set is pretty close for both Pilot and Episode 1 - not exactly the same, but really close. In any case, thanks for the correction.

Quote from: d0ct0r200004 on Dec 06, 2015, 11:33 am
They've changed it again! Can't find any good images of it though... It seems smaller and has two doors rather then one sliding door.

Maybe this plain ("Default Setting") TARDIS is something other than a Type-40? Maybe it's a Type 41, or at least one of the newer models than the Doctors. Remember, in "The Time Meddler", they established the Meddling Monk's TARDIS to be a "Mark 4" and the Doctor's TARDIS to be an earlier mark: the Doctor, when referring to coming from the same planet and his time stream relationship to the Monk's, "Yes, I regret that we do, but I would say that I am fifty years earlier.". So, the Monk's TARDIS was definitely a later "mark", and possibly a Type-40 like the Doctors.

So perhaps this is a Type-40 Mark II, or III, or like the Meddling Monk's, a Mark IV. That would explain the outward difference in its "plain" appearance, and also the internal differences. (Speculation on my part, I know, but it at least offers some explanation.)

Dino.

To keep form spoiling the episode, to those that haven't seen it yet. I will only tell you, watch the episode "Hell Bent" before going to the site of this image. http://tht10.x10.mx/d14/13f-c/index4.html

 

I think I like it more then the older ones, a little more things going on. Don't understand the doors though, just the same as they were in the 60's, electronic inside but by hand outside?

Quote from: d0ct0r200004 on Dec 09, 2015, 09:59 am
Don't understand the doors though, just the same as they were in the 60's, electronic inside but by hand outside?

I think somewhere along the line in the Classic years they explained that by mentioning something called "the void locker" - something that separated the inside of the TARDIS from the outside. That's what created that 'black void vestibule' we used to see when the inner doors were open. You could walk through the electronically-controlled inner doors into that vestibule, and then manually open the outer doors. All speculation, but I do have vague memories of that void locker. (Blame it on the Architectural Reconfiguration System; sometimes it creates that void locker - on and off in the Classic years - and sometimes it doesn't - again occasionally in the Classic years, mostly in the early Hartnell stories, but occasionally in the Pertwee and Tom Baker stories as well - and in all of the New Series years.)

And that's about where I stop analyzing it because it starts to make my brain hurt!

Dino.

Quote from: galacticprobe on Oct 18, 2013, 03:57 am

• The Master's TARDIS is/was a Mark 2 (I can't remember the episode, but in one of the Pertwee stories the Doctor steals the Master's Demat Circuit to use in his own TARDIS, and ends up bemoaning the fact that the Demat Circuit for a Mark 2 won't work in a Mark 1);

Dino.

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This was in "Terror of The Autons" Pertwee's first story.

I have also worked out the size for the Tardis in hell bent & made a model, worked out to be 3000mm (9' 10") tall by 120mm (5') wide, door way 2100 (7') tall by 820 (2' 8") wide.
http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=7121

Chris.

was trying to quote  ^ & it seems I messed up somewhere. LMSO still trying to get the hang of things.

Don't worry, Chris; you'll get the hang of it soon enough. When you quote a post, just make sure that you start typing your part after the [/quote], which appears at the end of the quote. And if you need to break up the post into smaller quote chunks, just put a few line returns in the post you're quoting. Then copy and paste the top part of the [quote...] line so it's above the last line return you added, and at the end of the first chunk you want to quote, manually type in the [/quote], and type in your part after that. Then repeat the process until you're done with the quoting. (Basically, so it looks something like this:

I would have shown more, but this is as large as the Comments window is. I hope this helps explain/show how to quote another post. (There is also an "Insert Quote" link you can use if you want to quote from more than one post. You'll find that link if you scroll down the page to the post you want to insert the quote for when you're typing your comments in. It will be on the right-hand side, and there's one for each post.)

Quote from: davros skaro on Nov 03, 2016, 03:01 am
This was in "Terror of The Autons" Pertwee's first story.

Actually, I think you mean Jo's first story. Pertwee's first did deal with Autons, but it was titled "Spearheads From Space".

Quote from: davros skaro on Nov 03, 2016, 03:01 am
I have also worked out the size for the Tardis in hell bent & made a model, worked out to be 3000mm (9' 10") tall by 120mm (5') wide, door way 2100 (7') tall by 820 (2' 8") wide.
http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=7121

And I love it when people can do this. I've always been rubbish at it. Once in a while I'll get it right, but 7 times out of 10, I'm a little - well, maybe more than a little - off the mark!

Dino.

thanks Dino, yeah it was Joe's first story, & Jon's 5th, I got the 2 mixed up, Derrrr.

to get the size of the type 40 capsule, I used the Hartnell figure as well as Capaldi's height (don't have the Capaldi figure yet), & went from there.

Here's a pic with Hartnell in it,


I'll put it on my post as well for all to see.