Quote from: rassilonsrod on Apr 04, 2013, 11:52 am

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Apr 04, 2013, 01:32 am
The walls with the four sets of roundels are 2400mm each.

I am assuming they would have kept about the same spacing as they did in Season 15.

According to the plans for that year, the roundels are 550mm and the gaps are 50mm.

We do also know that post-season 14, the roundels were all cast from the same moulds.

Added up (G = gap, R = Roundel) G + R + G + R + G + R + G + R + G = 2450mm.

I would say then that you are about right with that. I am also imagining some overlap to
go behind the pillars so perhaps the extra 50mm would be a good idea for you

Part of my brain looks at numbers and says - "ooo someone has figured it out! Goodie!! I can't wait till I can take a proper look at that after work." - Then I actually take a look and then weird things start to manifest - There has been a long standing understanding that the Roundels are 19.5" wide. 550mm is 21.6535" wide by my calculator - I may have been able to add an inch (possibly) if the dimensions were for the hole cut for the roundel to fit in- but 2" is enough for me to have to reexamine this thing. .....  Time to re-read some threads on roundel discussion, and the plans for the season 15 console room. (I don't think we have any detailed plans for the season 14 console room... I'll double check that as well.)

*edit

Well that part checks out http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=3486.0

Quote from: petertheta on Feb 24, 2011, 12:33 am
Here's a nice roundel shot:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TcWHiqyb4Ag/TNb8ehPSI0I/AAAAAAAAGMk/tJR3kL_feFM/s1600/16-11-05-Lot+622.jpg

From an old Bonham's auction:
http://fourthdoctorcostume.blogspot.com/2010/11/bonhams-costume-sales-previous-auctions.html

55cm (21½in) diameter

well that is an eye opener.

Well, a couple of people have had actually roundels.  Timerotor and Purple being the two I can think of.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

So Season 19 new wall for doors plus season 15 doors, then when the face lift from Season 20 to the Five Doctors - they kept the wall but upgraded the doors.   very cool.

Assuming the Height of the set didn't change from the season 15 plans. - And this would make sense so that they could reuse bits for future productions.



The top bit above the Main wall is 750mm.

So the height of the wall segment here :
(Thank you rassilonsrod for the picture )
[3300mm - 750mm = 2550mm high] 8.3 feet tall - so larger than a standard 8' x 4' sheet.

from previous discussion we know the width to be about 3000mm wide

hmmmm I'm going to re-examine this and compare this to Tony's measurements - not everything makes total sense to me.

I think your illustration might be off a bit.  If you look at the wall in the storage area, the half roundels at the top go to the top edge of the wall.  Then the top of the two full roundels look to be just slightly below the edge of the wall, maybe 1/2"?
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

I can't remember where I found this one (possibly somewhere here or the Bonhan's listing from a few years ago). If it was from here please forgive the repeat posting, but after searching 'roundel' and 'measurement' and any combination of other words that go with these two to in fit with this topic, and coming up with pages of roundel posts, including such threads as http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2009.0 and http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=1032.0 (and not finding this photo in either of those two or the other half-dozen threads I looked through), I thought this would save time and that someone might recognize it:



I know it's not the greatest photo in the world, but it looks like a fiberglass roundel: painted brown, and some as grey in Season 14; translucent as seen here from Season 15 onward. If you count the top increments of the measure (which is in inches) you'll see that this particular type of roundel is 19.5 inches edge to edge (not counting the flange around its very outer rim). I would have included the mm measurement, but there is too much glare to read the numbers.

I hope this helps a little.

Dino.

On the roundel measurement, see my post here: http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2544.msg52098;topicseen#msg52098. It might help sort out other measurements. ("Might" being the operative word.)

Dino.

good reference -  

for some reason the one here : http://fourthdoctorcostume.blogspot.com/2010/11/bonhams-costume-sales-previous-auctions.html from the 2010 Bonhams costume sales  is reported to be 55cm (21½in) - so I think they must be measuring from the Selvage (if this were a stamp) that affixes it to the back of the wall - the extra flange that radiates from the edge if the details of the roundel proper.

thank you 19.5" makes a lot of the measurements I was gathering make a whole lot more sense.  

I was wondering the same thing. It makes a huge difference if you include the lip or not, or how much of it

Quote from: DoctorWho8 on Apr 07, 2013, 03:12 am
I think your illustration might be off a bit.  If you look at the wall in the storage area, the half roundels at the top go to the top edge of the wall.  Then the top of the two full roundels look to be just slightly below the edge of the wall, maybe 1/2"?
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff

if you look at the one in the show there is clearly a little more wall at the top.

It could be that the one in storage may have been trimmed at some point / or there is an extra piece of wood at the top to lengthen the set piece to make it fit the Five Doctors set when it was recycled from the Season 19/20 set.   

Quote from: galacticprobe on Apr 07, 2013, 04:56 am
On the roundel measurement, see my post here: http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2544.msg52098;topicseen#msg52098. It might help sort out other measurements. ("Might" being the operative word.)

Dino.

Thank you =D - I'm not married to the measurements yet  
there are all based on http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2544.0#msgx52031 - and there may be all sorts of things wrong with those measurements - was the original set diagram a proper representation of the dimensions of the set? - was the Lighting plan overlay of Studio Six properly overlaid and in scale? .... This is a good reason to have discussions like this.

I'm still going to review Tony's diagrams to see what this would look like with his door but here is an update based on the new information.

Does this help?

Yep I agree.

*edit - oh but wait! For some reason you removed the strait edge and made a point. ... that doesn't match the above images.

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Apr 04, 2013, 07:29 pm

You're right Nate, in the new doors at least there IS a flat edge in the middle

Still using Tony's measurements we're able to update again. (* updated again April 12th 2013)

I'm not sure how many times the doors were changed over the years - if they stayed the same height we may not be too far off on dimensions.