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The Five Doctors Studio Floor Plan - Tardis Set

Started by warmcanofcoke, Jan 01, 2011, 12:53 am

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Rassilons Rod

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/images/lime%20grove%20d%20and%20e%20plans%20400p.jpg

It's not very big, but here is a plan from Lime Grove, D is where An Unearthly Child was shot (from what I can gather, I think it was probably just the TARDIS interor scenes - the rest was at Ealing Film Studios).

I believe, both D and E were used over time.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Rassilons Rod

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

Apr 04, 2013, 01:32 am #18 Last Edit: Apr 04, 2013, 06:22 am by warmcanofcoke
I was looking at the measurements again and found the dimensions of the doors a little confusing. Then I began to wonder why similar wall sections were various different lengths. In my mind it would it seams that it wouldn't be cost effective redesign each wall segment to be odd lengths. I would like to suggest an alternative set of measurements. Because we know that every square is 600 mm x 600mm. I copied and pasted some boxes across the edge of each wall and column and these are the dimensions I got.
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The wall with the main doors is 3000 mm across. From the hinges of the door to the columns are 600mm each, the doors as a set are 1800 mm from hinge to hinge and each door is 900 mm from hinge to center .

The walls with the four sets of roundels are 2400mm each.

The View-screen wall is 3000mm.

The Interior door wall is 1500mm. (2 1/2 boxes wide)

and the front face of each column is 600mm. (Not including the sides of each column.)

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The console room looks like it is 8100 mm (13.5 boxes) by 6000 mm (10 boxes)
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Apr 04, 2013, 01:32 am
The walls with the four sets of roundels are 2400mm each.


I am assuming they would have kept about the same spacing as they did in Season 15.

According to the plans for that year, the roundels are 550mm and the gaps are 50mm.

We do also know that post-season 14, the roundels were all cast from the same moulds.

Added up (G = gap, R = Roundel) G + R + G + R + G + R + G + R + G = 2450mm.

I would say then that you are about right with that. I am also imagining some overlap to
go behind the pillars so perhaps the extra 50mm would be a good idea for you :)

In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

it is possible that the dimensions of the walls extend behind the columns a little ways.
In this image from The Visitation we see that the walls with 4 sets of roundels can be made to cover a larger distance when required.
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vs
console room - Terror of the Vervoids
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why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Apr 04, 2013, 07:29 pm #21 Last Edit: Apr 18, 2013, 09:02 pm by warmcanofcoke
After looking at the fine work done by Tony Farrell on the Season 1-6 Console room http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=3709.0
I thought it might be a good idea to try and do something similar for The Five Doctors console room.

Expanding from the work done at http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2544.msg52044;topicseen#msg52044

we have a rough estimate of each of the walls dimensions.
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Apr 04, 2013, 01:32 am
Picture6A_zps1f99569e.jpg
The wall with the main doors is 3000 mm across. From the hinges of the door to the columns are 600mm each, the doors as a set are 1800 mm from hinge to hinge and each door is 900 mm from hinge to center .

The walls with the four sets of roundels are 2400mm each.

The View-screen wall is 3000mm.

The Interior door wall is 1500mm. (2 1/2 boxes wide)

and the front face of each column is 600mm. (Not including the sides of each column.)

The console room looks like it is 8100 mm (13.5 boxes) by 6000 mm (10 boxes)


Starting with the Dimensions of the wall with Main Doors.
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(Timelash)

I'm currently looking for a scene in Doctor Who that I can screen capture to get a face on view of the doors. Maybe even a get an actor of whom we know his height fairly close to the doors as a height reference.

We know from Crispin's researches that the Roundels are 19.5" wide. 21.5" wide 19.5" wide.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Apr 05, 2013, 02:12 am #22 Last Edit: Apr 05, 2013, 02:22 am by warmcanofcoke
Not that one can really use actors as a form of tape measure but ... maybe we can
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Resurrection of the Daleks - Peter Davison's peak height was 6 ft 0.25​ in (184 cm) http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2456.msg25051#msg25051

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Paradise Towers - Sylvester McCoy's peak height was 5 ft 6​ in (168 cm) [see link above]
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Kingpin

Good shot of the straight wall there.

tony farrell

Apr 05, 2013, 08:05 pm #24 Last Edit: Apr 05, 2013, 10:00 pm by Tony Farrell
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Apr 04, 2013, 07:29 pm
After looking at the fine work done by Tony Farrell on the Season 1-6 Console room http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=3709.0
I thought it might be a good idea to try and do something similar for The Five Doctors console room.
We know from Crispin's researches that the Roundels are 19.5" wide.


Thanks for the plug!  ;D

Without wishing to blur separate threads, I've worked out the height (and width) of the Tardis' doors against the Police Box prop as seen in the Time Monster - with the caveat that the height of the Police Box's side sign boxes remained unchanged since 1963. You may have seen that I've started a thread for the Police Box prop's history from 1966 onwards. It appears that during the various refits, the heights of these side panel sign boxes was raised by approx 2". Because the box's sides are taller than thought, it is therefore possible that the roundels are in fact 25" in diameter and are separated by a 2" gap.
tardis main doors compared to police box reduced for tb.jpg

Tardis Main Internal Doors 2013.png
For your plans Nathan, you need to lose the wainscoting shown in my updated drawing - so, the internal door frame is very slightly over 81" but the width is the same
Tony

warmcanofcoke

Thank you Tony this is all very useful and enlightening information and a good place to start figuring out the dimensions of the Five Doctors Door measurements. I'll just do a spot more screen capturing to check that the shape of the door didn't change in any other way, before attempting my own technical drawing. Thank you again my friend.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

tony farrell

Apr 05, 2013, 09:41 pm #26 Last Edit: Apr 05, 2013, 09:54 pm by Tony Farrell
No worries - you might like to note the other main difference in the doors was that the central 'dividing' point of the doors is even in the later version i.e., each door is the same width. Whereas in the earlier ones there is a 2" difference in widths.
Earlier version with off set in door divide:
main doors.png
Later version - doors are same width (or possibly the narrower door is now the one furthest away from us and the doors are upside down compared to before:
colin doors.png

warmcanofcoke

I had noticed this before - I was just under the impression that it may have been an illusion ... lol
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

This of course means that the doors may have indeed been replaced sometime before 5 doctors.
it is clear post 5 Docs the doors are even.
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Frontios
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Delta and the Bannermen
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

DoctorWho8

The doors were completely remade for the Five Doctors. When open, there is an extension that prevents the door frame from showing unlike the previous models. I've brought this up in the past.
Bill "the Doctor" Rudloff