I tried to post this in the http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?board=425.0 sub-board, but it wasn't giving me a tab or link to start a new Topic in there.

Anyway, my wife found this on one of her Doctor Who web sites this morning and I thought it would be a nice addition to the later years of the Classic Series:


This is a sort of bird's eye view of the TARDIS console room set from "The Greatest Show In The Galaxy". Interesting how that floor is almost the same green the original Brachacki (Hartnell) console room walls and console are depicted in.

This makes the set look so poor, like no one cared about it anymore, and that the show had finally reached that "shoestring budget" stage. It makes one wonder if they could have kept the budget at a level the Original Brachacki was built on what the show would have looked like during its 25th year (and 26th for that matter).

So if one of the Mods wants to move this into the http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?board=425.0 sub-board, if it's possible, please do. Maybe others will have some images from Season 25 to post. (I know this was probably the only story in that Season where we get to see the console room, but maybe there are other images of the console room out there, some from other angles, more behind-the-scenes photos, etc.)

Dino.

Quote from: galacticprobe on May 08, 2017, 10:22 pmThis makes the set look so poor, like no one cared about it anymore, and that the show had finally reached that "shoestring budget" stage.

It looks a bit shoestring, because it was. Greatest Show was almost cancelled, due to asbestos removal at the BBC. The production staff moved all the sets to a tent in the studio carpark, so they could continue filming.

That green is probably some type of rolled mat or dropcloth.

The Greatest Show in the Galaxy actually marks the last use of The Five Doctors Console Room set. It was recorded in the car park of the BBC's Ealing Studios facility rather than at TV Centre because of - as Cobalt states - the Asbestos scare.

It was never returned to the Scenery Dock in Television Centre - only the console (and possibly the zig-zag doors) survived. Though the Tardis interior appears briefly in Battlefield, it was dimly lit to disguise the fact that the hurriedly constructed walls have no depth and no fibre-glass roundel inserts fitted.

T

Did we ever get an exact figure for the wall column dimensions and angle?  I'd guess 3ft ish but couldn't make out a definite figure from the floorplan.

by no means do I purport these to be definative but I based them on the studio plans.

100.79 inches? If the main doors are 81", have a 19.5" roundel and about 1" spacing above and below said roundel, the wall would be 102.5" plus however much gap is below the door. Methinks this one works out a little more elegantly in metric dims - especially considering most pieces are rebuilt. This would make the door wall 3000 x 2620 - 2055 high (new-ish) doors with 635 diameter holes, a gap of 20 below, a 495 roundel with spacing of 25 above and below. The regular roundel walls would be 2400 x 2620. The roundels are spaced on center 555 both horizontally and vertically. This leaves 60 spacing between vertically (slimmer than the S15 walls, which must have been more like 3") plus 87.5 at the top and 95 at the bottom. Note the door wall roundels are spaced out a bit more due to aligning with the roundel over the doors.

Quote from: geminitimelord on Apr 18, 2013, 04:51 am
Actually i believe the televisions in the UK were more of a 16:9 aspect ratio than our sets in the states, remember we had TV first and our standards were already outdated when UK started their broadcasts.

Im sure someone from there might know more what i refer to.

I don't want to get the thread off topic but at the time 5 Doctors was broadcast resolutions were
UK
D1 Pal 720x576 (aspect ration 1:1.0667) Broadcast
D1 Pal 720x576 (1:422) called Pal Widescreen
D2 Pal 720x576 (1:1.0186) video tapes

US
D1 NTSC 720x486 (1:0.9) Broadcast (sometimes called 1.1:1)
D1 NTSC 720x486 (1:1.2) called NTSC Widescreen
D2 NTSC 720x480 (1:0.8592) video tapes

On a computer screen if you drew a circle on screen for PAL it would remain a circle when viewed on a TV or broadcast monitor. But on an NTSC system that same circle would be squashed by 10% making it look flat. To compensate you'd have to draw the circle 10% taller making it look skinny. So PAL was a more correct broadcast to the original live view.

I've always worried that when using screen shots for getting estimated measurements if using a PAL or NTSC screen shot would make any vertical estimate out by 10%. So knowing what format your screenshot was would have to be determined first. You can just look at the resolution and see 576 for PAL or 486||480 for NTSC.

When I was in the Film and TV industry back in the 90's I had to do a lot of graphics for each format. I only ever did NTSC DVD authoring so I never really knew the conversion ratios for PAL DVD. But when I did work for 2|Entertain on the PAL DVDs of Doctor Who in the early 2000's I had to do a lot of PAL wide screen work as that was what most of the DVD extras were produced in. But I did the work using inverse ratio of 1024x576. To get the inverse you multiply 720 by the 1.4222 aspect ratio. Then you can render a circle as a circle.

This changed when HD came out and both UK and North America use 1920x1080. Just with one at 25fps and the other at 30fps. When converting and upsampling I have no idea if the video aspect ratio is corrected?? But seeing as they are using the original PAL source I'd imagine they are all close to the 1:1.0667 ratio. The only ones that might be different are sources from 16mm film scanned in or the 1996 TVM which was a mishmash of standards with any special FXs being done at NTSC resolution and upscaled and stretched for the PAL broadcast making them all look fuzzy with colour effects.

Also keep in mind that these are pixel aspect ratios. Not screen aspect ratios to my knowledge they've always been either 4:3 or 16:9

Here's a good breakdown of it. But it gets really technical and talks about other video formats beside PAL and NTSC.
http://eugenia.queru.com/2007/10/30/understanding-pixel-aspect-ratios/

Ok. Back to your regular thread.

Quote from: lespaceplie on Oct 27, 2018, 05:48 pm
100.79 inches? If the main doors are 81", have a 19.5" roundel and about 1" spacing above and below said roundel, the wall would be 102.5" plus however much gap is below the door. Methinks this one works out a little more elegantly in metric dims - especially considering most pieces are rebuilt. This would make the door wall 3000 x 2620 - 2055 high (new-ish) doors with 635 diameter holes, a gap of 20 below, a 495 roundel with spacing of 25 above and below. The regular roundel walls would be 2400 x 2620. The roundels are spaced on center 555 both horizontally and vertically. This leaves 60 spacing between vertically

I'm broadly in agreement with Gene here.

However, as Kevin/Theta Sigma, Karst/Karstenhotep and - to a far lesser extent - myself have established, the fibreglass moulded roundels were 498 millimeters in diameter. Allowing a millimeter clearance all the way round the moulded roundel, this would make the diameter of the holes in the wall panels 500 mm and the vertical spacing between each hole would therefore be 55 mm.

In terms of the main doors, if the gap under the doors was closer to 15 mm (rather than 20 mm), then increasing the diameter of the roundels above the doors from 495 mm to 500 mm would make no difference to the overall height of the walls from the studio floor to the soffit i.e., the wall panels would still be 2620 mm tall.

Fairly obviously, when the Tardis set was rebuilt for "The Five Doctors" in 1983, there would be no such things as laser cutters or computer controlled cutting machines so, an element of deviation would inevitably creep into the diameters/spacings of the roundel holes (to say nothing of the effect of sanding the edges down would have also had) but the height of 2620 mm for the wall panels does seem to be correct.

The only other comment I would make relates specifically to the wall panels fitted with the 'transparent' roundels; the the gap between the bottom of the lowest roundel and the studio floor (& the equivalent distant between the top of the uppermost roundel and the soffit) seems to be more equal than Gene suggests:







It's also interesting to note that, in contrast to the pictures from "Planet of Fire" where the left-hand wall panel is recessed back from the soffit and fascia, when the set was brand new, all the wall panels were flush with the bottom of the fascia thus hiding the soffit completely:





T

Don't want to derail the thread and I don't know if this is going to help but PALs Doctor Who DVD 720x576 (4:3) ratio works out as 768x576 pixels (including vertical black bars) on a square pixeled display such as a modern TV or a PC monitor.

(Widescreen (16:9) images indeed equate to 1024x576 (again including any vertical lines))

Most screen grab software these days makes that allowance; However in the early days some did not. There's some reference pictures of the TYJ taken from Season 26 in the forum that haven't been converted and as such the images are too thin and tall...

Hopefully that makes sense. I'm currently chasing Omega around Amsterdam at the moment, if any one wants me to elaborate further I can post a few demonstration pictures when I get back tomorrow...

Steve

Whatever you do, don't enter any (red-lit) smoke-filled rooms  especially ones with loads of cobwebs!

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Oct 28, 2018, 01:02 pmIn terms of the main doors, if the gap under the doors was closer to 15 mm (rather than 20 mm), then increasing the diameter of the roundels above the doors from 495 mm to 500 mm would make no difference to the overall height of the walls from the studio floor to the soffit i.e., the wall panels would still be 2620 mm tall

That makes it even simpler. The 500 mm holes with 60 mm between plus the shorter-than-half hole (cropped to 220 mm) leaves 80 mm space at the top and bottom. In other words, they're spaced 560 mm on center. Perfect!

Quote from: Tony Farrell on Oct 28, 2018, 08:34 pm
Whatever you do, don't enter any (red-lit) smoke-filled rooms  especially ones with loads of cobwebs!

Praise be to Logar!!! Sorry the images up top made me say that.

https://archive.org/details/Doctor_Who_-_In-Vision_069_-_The_Five_Doctors

Doctor Who - In-Vision 069 - The Five Doctors_0011.jpg
Doctor Who - In-Vision 069 - The Five Doctors_0020.jpg

Was Rasillons Tomb established in the making of Dr Who book as the article suggests?

I have taken the studio floor plans that someone had previously marked up:


and have tried to consolidate them in my CAD system. Below is my attempt. I would be grateful if someone here could critique them!