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Started by domvar, Nov 17, 2012, 05:27 pm

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domvar

Nov 17, 2012, 05:27 pm Last Edit: Nov 24, 2012, 10:50 am by hb88banzai
83 minutes into The Sandwich Man, there's a Mark 3 in the background.

moody.jpg

Also purloined from Roobarb's but I will redo the screen cap if anyone objects.


domvar

Nov 17, 2012, 05:31 pm #1 Last Edit: Nov 17, 2012, 05:32 pm by domvar
Interestingly it is not there in 1933 despite what the entry says

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Putney bridge over the Thames shows the heavy traffic which made widening necessary, 2 February 1933.

Rassilons Rod

As a chap who used to live in this area, I'm fairly sure that it wasn't widened.

Ok, so I wasn't alive at the time but.... Both sides of the Bridge are the same (wiki says it was designed by
Sir Joseph Bazalgette in 1880 (or at least the plans began then)).

Well I can't explain the pavement in the middle. But Apparently this bridge forms part of the London
sewerage network, perhaps the part where the pipes were just wasn't part of the road and then
they only  had to widen the road and not the whole bridge?
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

domvar

Nov 17, 2012, 06:02 pm #3 Last Edit: Nov 17, 2012, 06:05 pm by domvar
Widened twice the second time took 3 years http://www.engineering-timelines.com/scripts/engineeringItem.asp?id=1161

The bridge was widened in 1909 to accommodate a tramway and by 1926 it was the busiest London bridge west of Westminster. Further widening was deemed necessary, a project that meant digging up part of All Saints churchyard and moving 15 graves.

The second widening increased the bridge's width to 22.6m, and mirrored the original construction with granite arches and concrete piers. The method used was to support the blocks of the new arches on steel girders, the ends of which rested on watertight iron sand boxes founded on timber piles driven into the river bed. The blocks were lowered 25mm by releasing sand gradually and evenly from the boxes, meshing them into contiguous arches in their final positions.

Rassilons Rod

i stand corrected :)


i guess wiki falls a bit short on this topic :-)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

hb88banzai

Funny, I just entered this location into the Database last night (vainly looking for photos), but silly me I believed the Met List and put it on the east side of the bridge. Picture clearly shows it on the west side.   :(

Perhaps it was originally on the east side, before being replaced by a Mark 3.

At least I was right about it being in one of the niches near the foot of the bridge. Ah, those directions...

domvar

That would explain it being a mk3 and it not being on the 1933 pic

domvar

Nov 18, 2012, 05:14 pm #7 Last Edit: Nov 22, 2012, 11:42 pm by hb88banzai
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EDIT: From "Britain on Film" - BBC4 9th November 2012 (1960s)

hb88banzai

Nov 22, 2012, 11:33 pm #8 Last Edit: Nov 22, 2012, 11:41 pm by hb88banzai
A few miscellaneous screen grabs posted elsewhere, copied here for reference --

From "The Sandwich Man" (1966) --

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-(The_Sandwich_Man-1966)-Pic1.jpg

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-(The_Sandwich_Man-1966)-Pic2.jpg

From "Britain on Film" - BBC4 9th November 2012 (1960s)  - -

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-(Britain_on_Film-BBC4_9Nov12)-Pic1.jpg

hb88banzai

Nov 22, 2012, 11:57 pm #9 Last Edit: Nov 23, 2012, 11:00 pm by hb88banzai
As indicated previously, per the Met List, Box V53 at Putney Bridge should have been on the eastern side of the Bridge, likely here in the eastern niche at the Bridge's footing --

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-SiteStreetview_per_List.JPG

URL:  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Putney+Bridge,+Putney,+UK&hl=en&sll=51.468446,-0.235176&sspn=0.055179,0.135441&hnear=Putney+Bridge,+London+Borough+of+Hammersmith+and+Fulham,+London+SW6,+United+Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=51.466068,-0.213897&panoid=j2TSnR2HWu4jxBLm3j_Iuw&cbp=12,133.03,,1,0.53&z=16

Instead, the photos all show it (except when missing altogether) to be on the other side, here --

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-SiteStreetview_per_1960sPhotos.JPG

URL:  http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Putney+Bridge,+Putney,+UK&hl=en&sll=51.468446,-0.235176&sspn=0.055179,0.135441&hnear=Putney+Bridge,+London+Borough+of+Hammersmith+and+Fulham,+London+SW6,+United+Kingdom&t=m&layer=c&cbll=51.466068,-0.213897&panoid=j2TSnR2HWu4jxBLm3j_Iuw&cbp=12,264.63,,1,4.43&z=16

The Remarks for this Box don't indicated it was Resited, so we don't know yet where the error lies - whether it was ever actually in the eastern niche (or perhaps further south near the church, as a more literal interpretation of the Met List's description might imply), or if it was, precisely when it was moved or when it was replaced with a Mark 3.

Rassilons Rod

Quote from: hb88banzai on Nov 22, 2012, 11:57 pm
The Remarks for this Box don't indicated it was Resited, so we don't know yet where the error lies - whether it was ever actually in the eastern niche (or perhaps further south near the church, as a more literal interpretation of the Met List's description might imply), or if it was, precisely when it was moved or when it was replaced with a Mark 3.


Unless it was resited, I can tell you that all those photos look like the same spot to me.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

hb88banzai

Nov 23, 2012, 11:00 pm #11 Last Edit: Nov 23, 2012, 11:06 pm by hb88banzai
From the same post -

Quote from: hb88banzai on Nov 22, 2012, 11:57 pm
As indicated previously, per the Met List, Box V53 at Putney Bridge should have been on the eastern side of the Bridge, likely here in the eastern niche at the Bridge's footing --

(photo)

Instead, the photos all show it (except when missing altogether) to be on the other side, here --

(photo)

hb88banzai

A couple of blowups --

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-(Britain_on_Film-BBC4_9Nov12)-Blowup.JPG

Putney_Bridge_Box-V53-(The_Sandwich_Man-1966)-Pic3-Blowup.JPG

petewilson

Jan 16, 2013, 07:29 pm #13 Last Edit: Jan 16, 2013, 07:31 pm by petewilson
Here's another Photo of V53 taken on 27 Oct 1938

V53 Putney Bridge (27 Oct 1938).jpg

domvar

Fantastic find and at last proof that the mk3's were later replacements and not contemporary designs by different contractors.