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The Definitive Pertwee/Baker Time Rotor Plans

Started by karsthotep, May 14, 2012, 05:05 pm

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karsthotep

May 14, 2012, 05:05 pm Last Edit: Oct 16, 2012, 04:28 pm by Scarfwearer
Hey Gang,

I wanted to get this thread going to help all those, including myself who are interested in building their own old series style time rotor.  I am focusing mainly on the Pertwee/Baker/Early Davidson.  Future plans can be hammered out from there.  The goal of this thread is to come to a finalized set of measurements of components which you can either cut yourself from acrylic, or having laser cut.  Jarrod and TimeRotor have come a long way in helping define some of these measurements. I'd like to get a central repository for this information.  We can start by getting some of the basics out of the way.

Internal:
1)Tube Diameter:  4 inches , this is pretty much accepted at this point
2)Tube Height:  There is much debate on this, I have heard from 18-21 inches.  I believe 20 Inches is on the mark but would like to solidify this.
3)Center Triangle Dims:  TBD
4)Rotor Plinth:  I have heard 5-8 inches:  I think 6 is pretty darn close to the mark.  
5)Upper and Lower Green/Yellow strips:  There are 6 total and I believe they are 1X9 inches each.  
6)Center Triangle support:  TBD
7)Rotor Tube Supports (needs a better name) I am reffering to the arcs at the base of each tube which screws to the plinth

External:
Rotor case Tube semiflexible plastic or Solid extruded:  30 inches tall X ??  
Rotor Case Top:  22 inch disk


Additional:  I would like to get a list of some of the other parts as well, lighting sources etc.  So I hope this gets some good information.  I am not good at drawing up plans but perhaps someone can take what we solidfy here  can do a TARDIS rotor builders guide which can be of use.    

Karsten
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

warmcanofcoke

1) I love this idea
2) we should do this for the William Hartnell/Patrick Troughton time rotor and the Davison/C Baker/McCoy time rotor as well.  :D ;)
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

galacticprobe

May 15, 2012, 04:56 am #2 Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 05:12 am by galacticprobe
I think these threads might just about have the Hartnell/Troughton column covered:
http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=979.0
http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=280.0 (Column assembly goes on throughout.)
http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=266.0 (Good links in this one, as well as a build diary.)

And I think the threads on http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=2542.0 and http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=282.0 pretty much have the Pertwee/Tom Baker/Early Davison columns covered (when you consider that the Pertwee column, aside from having a few extra bits inside it, was about the same dimensions as its successors).

Now the "Five Doctors" column needs some serious looking into. This thread http://tardisbuilders.com/index.php?topic=279.0 has some great photos of that column in a build diary, although there isn't much info on it as far as actual dims or lighting go.

But even though we've got those above threads, we can always do with more info if someone comes across a little something hitherto unknown (and then hopefully makes it known). So I agree with warmcanofcoke. This is an excellent idea. Maybe there's a way we could gather the different columns into their own threads under a "Central Column/Time Rotor" heading? Break them down into "Hartnell/Troughton", "Pertwee/Tom Baker/Early Davison", and "The Five Doctors to 1989"? (Not sure how easy that would be with the column builds that are integrated into console builds without pulling the column posts out of them, or if that would even be a good idea. ???)

Dino.
"What's wrong with being childish?! I like being childish." -3rd Doctor, "Terror of the Autons"

warmcanofcoke

Jarrod's Pertwee Time Rotor is exceptional but it doesn't mention many (if any) dimensions. And I tried to pin down the dimensions of Time Rotor's excellent build but it is a bit confusing - the dimension seem to change as he talks to others or does research - by the end there I'm still not certain what all the dimensions are.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

May 15, 2012, 09:53 am #4 Last Edit: May 15, 2012, 11:29 am by rassilonsrod
Quote from: warmcanofcoke on May 14, 2012, 11:59 pm
1) I love this idea
2) we should do this for the William Hartnell/Patrick Troughton time rotor and the Davison/C Baker/McCoy time rotor as well.  :D ;)


Agreed on all counts :)

As for the Hartnell/ Troughton column, I would suggest checking out Celation's console build and also my 3D rotor build.

Mine has fairly clear images of it done in 3D, but Chris has found out lots of stuff that I missed. (THOSE MIRRORS! GAH! I suppose they were the inspiration for the yellow perspex that runs up and down it's replacement...).
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

karsthotep

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on May 15, 2012, 05:22 am
Jarrod's Pertwee Time Rotor is exceptional but it doesn't mention many (if any) dimensions. And I tried to pin down the dimensions of Time Rotor's excellent build but it is a bit confusing - the dimension seem to change as he talks to others or does research - by the end there I'm still not certain what all the dimensions are.


  I have some information on measurement that I can post,  lets start with ones that you are looking for and we can start to get the list together.  What portions of the Rotor do you have the most vagueness about? 

Karst
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

karsthotep

bumping this thread again so we can get some solidified plans for everyone..Who is good at diagraming I can work with them to get some measurements and plans on paper.  Anyone? Anyone? Buehler? Buehler?

K
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

warmcanofcoke

May 16, 2012, 12:55 pm #7 Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 05:54 pm by warmcanofcoke
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here are a couple of images to get the ball rolling on measurements and such.


*edit - I need to get a better cap of this shot:
108HornsoftheNimon0021.jpg
but it should help with the dims of the mirrored plinth.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

karsthotep

Some to get started. 

Internal:
1)Tube Diameter:  4 inches , this is pretty much accepted at this point
2)Tube Height:  There is much debate on this, I have heard from 18-21 inches.  I believe 20 Inches is on the mark but would like to solidify this.
3)Center Triangle Dims:  TBD
4)Rotor Plinth:  I have heard 5-8 inches:  I think 6 is the most accurate.   
5)Upper and Lower Green/Yellow strips:  There are 6 total and are 1X9 inches each. 
6)Center Triangle support:  TBD
7)Rotor Tube Supports (needs a better name) I am refering to the arcs at the base of each tube which screws to the plinth TBD:  Will post that info soon

External:
Rotor case Tube semiflexible plastic or Solid extruded:  30 inches tall X ??  diameter? 
Rotor Case Top:  22 inch acrylic disk
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

Rassilons Rod

May 16, 2012, 04:02 pm #9 Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 04:03 pm by rassilonsrod
Quote from: karsthotep on May 16, 2012, 03:38 pm
2)Tube Height:  There is much debate on this, I have heard from 18-21 inches.  I believe 20 Inches is on the mark but would like to solidify this.


This is just my opinion based on what I think I have heard, but for some reason I have in mind 18" tubes for the lamps, which would leave an inch either end in a 20" acrylic tube....

EDIT: Just looking at those photos again: Could the dark plastic rectangles be the ones from the original column, reborn recycled?
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

karsthotep

You are spot on with what I know as well,  the lamps inside the tube totalled 18 inches, and were made up of the incandescent bulbs and the mounting hardware.  The Acrylic Tubes themselves were indeed 20"inches as you stated and based on information I have received from unnamed sources. 

  Good eye on darker plastic pieces, It is very very possible they reused them, they reused parts of the console why not the rotor as well. 

K
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

warmcanofcoke

May 16, 2012, 06:35 pm #11 Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 09:20 pm by warmcanofcoke
so this is what you think so far

maybedimsb.jpg

if the Diameter of the circular top to the Rotor is 22 inches then the length of material of the perspex/Acrylic sheet that makes up the cylinder part is about 69.1 inches x 30 inches

*updated
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

karsthotep

Yes,  based on first hand knowledge that is correct.   and thanks for calculating the math for the cylinder awesome.  Ok..few other measurements

Plinth Diameter:  it calculates to 17.7" doing the conversion from metric. 
Long Acrylic rectangle:The piece between the tubes, is 4"
The toppers on the tubes are 2" in diameter
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"

warmcanofcoke

May 16, 2012, 09:27 pm #13 Last Edit: May 16, 2012, 10:00 pm by warmcanofcoke
I've updated the image above

this leaves just two questions in my mind

1) the dimensions of the Neon Red/Pink triangle in the center or the rotor dating from Pertwee's time
(I'm not sure about this but I think it might be 20 inches x 1.5 inches) * please correct me if I'm wrong

2) the dimensions of the frosted perspex between the 4" tubes from Late Baker/Early Davison time (the first of the two dimensions is probably 20 inches)
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

karsthotep

Rockin!!! this is coming together.  You are not far off, the calculations of the Pink Triangle comes out to 1.7 inches, so your 1.5 inches is on the money.  Jarrods Pertwee red triangle was 2".  You are correct as well, the height is even with the tubes at 20"

The frosted perspect is 4" wide by 20 1/4 " Hight.  they extend just a snit above the tubes.  and Snit is a form of measurement :)

Karsten
I want notes, lists and answers by the time I finish this here Juicy-a-Box! WARNING: I am Thirst-ay! And it is Fruit Punch! And it is Delicious!"