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Season 20 5 Doctors console plans

Started by Scarfwearer, Aug 22, 2009, 11:50 am

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Scarfwearer

Aug 22, 2009, 11:50 am Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:18 pm by Scarfwearer
Here's a reference to the 5 Doctors console plans that I drew up.
console-mk5v2.gif

All measurements are guesswork, and subject to discussion.

Crispin

Teletran

Aug 30, 2009, 09:49 am #1 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:16 pm by scarfwearer
I'm trying to work out the basic panel layouts for this prop using Scarfwearer's plan as a starting point. It's a little hard to follow due to the complexity, I have 18" upper width 48" lower width and 77cm length (along the angle) is that right? You've got to love that mix and match approach to units of measurement by the way.
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg)

Scarfwearer

Aug 30, 2009, 10:09 am #2 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:16 pm by scarfwearer
The top is 17.3" (44cm) - half of the collar width of 88cm, as the edges of a hexagon are half of the larger diameter.
The bottom of the panel is 45.7" (116cm) for the same reason.

Yeah, there's rather a lot on that diagram. :-/

You found the Console Calculator right? You can use that to make sure the geometry all matches up.

Crispin

Teletran

Aug 30, 2009, 01:27 pm #3 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:16 pm by scarfwearer
Thanks, I'll post the results when I have them
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg)

Teletran

Aug 30, 2009, 03:34 pm #4 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:16 pm by scarfwearer
I thought I'd post the first few measurements I'm reasonably sure of:
doctorwho457copy.jpg
All units are centimetres although I think the square dimple buttons may actually be 3/4" anyway all very approximate but it's a start.
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg)

Teletran

Aug 31, 2009, 08:15 am #5 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:17 pm by scarfwearer
grumble grumble image shack Ok reposting the image
doctorwho457copy.th.jpg I think the panels labelled as 7.5 are actually 8cm long(vertically) making the dimple buttons 2cm2 (yay). Anyway because of perspective height is harder to judge than width. I'm pretty sure the long middle panel is 25cm long(horizontally) and the panels are separated by 2cm, knowing that and the angle of the main panel we can work out the spacing using trig. I'm also pretty certain that the round and square panel housings are 15cm(6") which seems to be a constant across all consoles but I havent checked.
(http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1360/omni02g.jpg)

Scarfwearer

Aug 31, 2009, 10:05 am #6 Last Edit: Feb 09, 2010, 08:17 pm by scarfwearer
A while ago Tom on Rebuilders was working on a 5 doctor's console and going through a similar exercise. You may find some useful snippets in his old threads.

I've straightened up a couple of images of the two panel styles using perspective correction in GIMP, and scaled them so that 5px = 1cm. Here they are:

5docs-panel2.jpg

panel1-931.jpg

Incidentally I've been having trouble with photobucket over the weekend also...

Crispin

warmcanofcoke

Aug 07, 2012, 12:24 am #7 Last Edit: Aug 07, 2012, 12:27 am by warmcanofcoke
there are many missing measurements from the plans.
console-mk5questions.jpg
can anyone tell me what dimensions A - E are?
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Aug 07, 2012, 08:23 am #8 Last Edit: Aug 07, 2012, 08:24 am by rassilonsrod
I believe (having checked with a hex calculator form google) that A, B, C and E are the same as the radius. i.e. half from corner to corner.

A: 30/2   =15cm
B: 88/2   =44cm
C: 121.91= 60.955cm (shall we say 61cm?)
E: 232/2  =116cm

D, I really don't know.

For that, we need the distance between the midline of the inserted hex and the top: (9/2)+7.5 = 12"

And the height of the trough at the midline of the inserted hex: X

So with a bit of trigonometry:
If the square on the hyponenuse is equal to the sum of the squares on the other two sides
(why is a mouse when it spins?)


This gives us:
D= X2+122

I think that should be right.

For completeness, I think we also need:
The depth at the bottom of the trough (more trig?)
The height of the inserted hex.
Some details on the crenellations.
Finally, the details on the red stripes in the crown.
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

Aug 07, 2012, 12:27 pm #9 Last Edit: Aug 07, 2012, 02:10 pm by warmcanofcoke
Quote from: rassilonsrod on Aug 07, 2012, 08:23 am
I believe (having checked with a hex calculator form google) that A, B, C and E are the same as the radius. i.e. half from corner to corner.

A: 30/2   =15cm
B: 88/2   =44cm
C: 121.91= 60.955cm (shall we say 61cm?)
E: 232/2  =116cm


A and B should be very close in size - maybe an inch or two difference. maybe there is a typo?

*for A - the circumradius of the upper crown hexagon is 15 inches and the sides are each 15 inches. (38.1 cm)
*for B - the circumradius of the lower crown hexagon is 17.32 inches and the sides are each 17.32 inches. (43.9928 cm)
*for C - the circumradius of the mid hexagon is 45.665 inches and the sides are each 45.665 inches. (115.9891 cm)
*for E - the circumradius of the base hexagon is 24 inches and the sides are each 24 inches. (60.96 cm)
http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-plane/polygon.php
http://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/circumradius.html

oh - thank you I understand what you did there. =D

- as you say we are missing information to solve D.
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Quote from: warmcanofcoke on Aug 07, 2012, 12:27 pm
Quote from: rassilonsrod on Aug 07, 2012, 08:23 am
I believe (having checked with a hex calculator form google) that A, B, C and E are the same as the radius. i.e. half from corner to corner.

A: 30/2   =15cm
B: 88/2   =44cm
C: 121.91= 60.955cm (shall we say 61cm?)
E: 232/2  =116cm


A and B should be very close in size - maybe an inch or two difference. maybe there is a typo?

*for A - the circumradius of the upper crown hexagon is 15 inches and the sides are each 15 inches. (38.1 cm)
*for B - the circumradius of the lower crown hexagon is 17.32 inches and the sides are each 17.32 inches. (43.9928 cm)
*for C - the circumradius of the mid hexagon is 45.665 inches and the sides are each 45.665 inches. (115.9891 cm)
*for E - the circumradius of the base hexagon is 24 inches and the sides are each 24 inches. (60.96 cm)
http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-plane/polygon.php
http://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/circumradius.html

oh - thank you I understand what you did there. =D

- as you say we are missing information to solve D.


You're right about A and B and I've just spotted what. I was going in cm, but not everything is listed in cm... Also, I seem to have swapped A and B...

So what I should have written is:
A=44cm
B=15", (38.1cm...)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

The next set of missing Measurements :
console-mk5v2C.jpg
We still don't know what "D" is and we would like to know "H" and "I"
can anybody help?
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

warmcanofcoke

Quote from: rassilonsrod on Aug 07, 2012, 08:23 am
The height of the inserted hex.

the height of the inserted Hexagon is 10.3923 " (26.3964 cm)
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.

Rassilons Rod

Um, I think what I wrote was confusing. Perhaps the thickness of the inserted hex would be a better question. (BTW, where did you get 10.3923" from? Crispin's diagram says 9").

Also, is G the length of the diagonal edge or the distance from long edge to short edge?
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

warmcanofcoke

Aug 08, 2012, 09:57 am #14 Last Edit: Oct 01, 2012, 09:38 pm by warmcanofcoke
once again I used the circumradius of the hexagon which is 6 inches (half of twelve as marked on the innermost hexagon) and popped it into the Regular Polygon Calculator http://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/geometry-plane/polygon.php this information told me what the inradius (apothem) was and that is also half the distance between the opposite flat faces of the hexagon. 9 inches is for the base of the irregular hexagon the surrounds the innermost hexagon.


G the length of the diagonal edge - I was able to calculate the length of the side of the trapezoid because there is a triangle on the diagram to the far right. A2 + B2 =C2


also a good reference for converting decimal inches into 16ths or 8ths or what have you: http://www2.whidbey.net/ohmsmath/webwork/javascript/decin2fr.html
why doesn't the Guide mention them? - Oh, it's not very accurate.
Oh? - I'm researching the new edition.