New, New TardisBuilders!
Started by hb88banzai, Apr 22, 2016, 10:45 am
Quote from: Tony Farrell on Apr 22, 2016, 08:02 am...After all, weren't the original Police Boxes made primarily from concrete (which kind-of makes a nonsense of Martha Jones' statement in 'Smith and Jones' that "your spaceship is made of wood?!")....
Quote from: hb88banzai on Apr 22, 2016, 10:45 amA bit off topic, but just have to answer this.There were actually around 60 Met Boxes that were mostly made of wood (they did have a concrete roof), and that's over and above the prototypes (as many as ten, eight of which were probably very close to the final Mark 1 form, eg the first Coulsdon Box). Further, in some ways they looked more like the TARDIS than many of the all concrete versions. So, really not so strange the TARDIS is always described as a "wooden box" if the old girl decided to base her disguise off of one of these.
Quote from: Tony Farrell on Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 pm
Quote from: Tony Farrell on Apr 22, 2016, 03:01 pmForgive me HB (I've no desire to contradict you - you clearly are our resident expert in this regard) but is what you've just stated entirely correct? (Also, if this is covered elsewhere, I apologise.)My understanding is that the Mackenzie-Trench design was piloted in 1929 and these (ten or so 'pilot') Police Boxes were made from wood with lead-clad roofs. (Surely concrete would have been a strange choice to place atop of a wooden supporting structure if only for reasons of weight? **) After the success of this initial 1929 trial, the design was rolled out across London from 1930 onwards with the fully-fledged boxes being made from concrete (apart from the door which was of teak) with iron-framed windows. Concrete was chosen for the roll-out as it could be mass-produced from a mould and didn't require the maintenance which a wooden construction would have entailed.I also understand that the 1929 'pilot' boxes had no roof lamp with which to summon the local policeman and that the windows were lead-framed (and permanently closed) rather than being made out of iron (with one or more of them being open-able):Following the initial roll-out of the fully-fledged concrete boxes, in 1935 - in response to concerns that the public weren't using the boxes to call for police help - it's my understanding that a London-wide publicity campaign was undertaken to increase awareness and, as part of this campaign, the decision was made to update the lintel signage from simply "POLICE" to the more familiar "POLICE PUBLIC CALL BOX" wording. (I've added the 1935 publicity poster to the main photo above.)I'd appreciate it if you could clarify/expand on these points to improve my understanding (though I acknowledge that perhaps this particular thread might not be the appropriate place to do so).Thanks.T** Edited - just so people know, a one inch thick concrete roof (16 square feet - approx 20 square feet including the stepped sections) would weigh approximately 130 kilograms/287 pounds or just over an eighth of a tonne). That's a hell of a lot of weight to be placed on top of a wooden frame which itself would only be an inch thick. Hence the reason for me querying the construction of the 1929 'pilot' Police Boxes.