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Started by hb88banzai, Aug 29, 2010, 09:29 am
Quote from: pete d on Aug 28, 2010, 12:25 pmI think there may have been a fair amount of mk1 redressed boxes that had a similar look, as they used leaded window panes, notcast iron types:
Quote from: pete d on Aug 30, 2010, 10:05 pmI knew I'd read it somewhere...quoting Ironageman (a brilliant source of info):The original 1920s (Mk 1) boxes were timber on a concrete base, so I imagine that they brought one of those along (possibly the Hendon training one?) giving it a timber base for the exhibition... Then the signage was updated on both timber and concrete boxes - on pictures of the Barnet box, you can just make out where the old telephone plaque was, below the telephone door.There must be some good pics of the Barnet box on here somewhere, showing those screw holes...
Quote from: pete d on Sep 03, 2010, 11:58 am(snip) - but on a fundamental level the design is the same I feel pillar capping differences and stack depth are small (but yes, significant) differences - variants of the same, probably brought about by having to replace original moulds due to damage, or even sourcing the work to another casting company? who knows?(snip)Soo, this is how I'd summarise what we know for the Met boxes:Mark 0 - wooden prototype (we still have no real idea what colour these things are! Ironage guessed at light blue, but they could be white!) Introduced in 1929 - no idea how long they lasted.Mark 1 - concrete box, the 'dinky' layout - clear telephone door, wordy panel underneath, leaded windows, lintels with dark roman script. Very 1930s looking. Colour looks dark on some photos, lighter on others. (The Glasgow boxes are the 'real' mark 1 in my eyes - they came before met boxes and have significant design differences, but we're talking met here)Mark 2 - Barnet/tardis look. Very 1940s looking to my eyes. I imagine that some boxes were made looking like this and some were redressed mark1. The differences between mark1 and mark2 aren't overly significant if we are honest - they are pre cast concrete, with a fresnel beacon.Mark 3 - we have seen 2 variants of this box - the Camden box and the older photos of the Hendon mk3. Royal gloss blue, white trim, fresnel beacon, then there is the Heathrow version - lighter blue, blue backed telephone panel with white type, no white trim - some have the thin domed glass beacon (reminiscent of the Tom Baker opening titles) and also deployed on the blackwall 'fire box'. Mark 3 types look decidedly 1950s to me.
QuoteOf course, this is just if we wanted to keep things simple, rather than actually trying to account for all those changes in the Mark 1/2 design over time - which upon further review of all the pics posted is far more varied and complex than I had at first imagined (or perhaps hoped) - - Crich, Barnet, Barnet w/ High Roof & Flatter Signs, Barnet w/ Short Pillars, etc., just to describe the few I've noticed so far. Even with the actual Barnet box there seem to be inconsistencies between the right and left sides in the front view, at least as she appeared in her final years, so coming up with a comprehensive taxonomy could be quite problematic (especially with the limited data available).Does any of this make sense to you, or am I just being overly persnickety?
Quote from: pete d on Sep 04, 2010, 06:06 pm(snip)On a side line - when I wrote about the Glasgow boxes improving on the met design with the Ericsson flap activated phone, they of course carried another clever modification that I should have mentioned. In the Met boxes, the bell (for when the phone is ringing) is inside the box on the back wall, making it hard to hear at a distance. However, the Glasgow boxes had the ingenius idea of placing the bell on the very top of the beacon, making the sound of the ringing phone much easier to carry over distance. I'm not sure that many people realise that that's what the dome of the beacon on a Glasgow box actually is - a bell.
Quote from: hb88banzai on Sep 05, 2010, 11:03 amI suspected as much when looking at the pictures of the Glasgow boxes and hearing somewhere that the beacons had a bell in them (though in some cases people thought it was the first Met boxes that had them at some point - possibly the timber ones)....before the GPO has installed any of the hardware (no handles, signs, or beacon). Also interesting to note about these boxes is that the stencil-type characters for "POLICE" on the top signs are actually cut through the wood or press-board that part of the sign was made of......they simply used a separate regular old No. 1 bell set...Also, I don't really think there is enough room in the "reactor" housing for both a beacon (especially a revolving one) and anything like the size of the Met or Glasgow wall bells (I seem to recall the Glasgow box at Avoncroft having a wall bell).