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Started by Teletran, Feb 24, 2008, 04:30 am

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Teletran

Feb 27, 2008, 05:57 am #15 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:55 pm by scarfwearer
sonic Flash drive?
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Rassilons Rod

Feb 27, 2008, 07:08 am #16 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:55 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: willytron board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204064099It would be great if you could get a garage door opener made to look like a sonic screwdriver!

You mean like in The Ambassadors of Death! *TWANG!*

As he said "its just a door handle" :)

Quote from: teletran board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204091874sonic Flash drive?

Ah yes, another reason I don't like the new sonic so much (in concept at least). It really can do anything! The old one was much more in keeping with its purpose.

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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Teletran

Feb 27, 2008, 08:28 am #17 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:55 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: rassilonsrod board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204096113The old one was much more in keeping with its purpose.


I'd be happy with a "sonic screwdriver" in truest sense of the term. I'm rubbish with screws.

As I understand it the principle upon which the sonic screwdriver operates is that sonic or sub-sonic waves can be used to apply kinetic energy to a screw or lock. Presumably the device has feedback sensors in it to insure that the correct effect is being achieved possibly using a technique similar to sonar. While I'm sure that sound waves can be used to induce vibration and even movement I less clear on how it can generate torque. A number of lists can be found online describing the functions of the sonic screwdriver in both the new and classic series. The function that seems most out of place is igniting flammable materials but as this was used in the classic series we can hardly complain and besides if it can send and receive electromagnetic waves as the new model almost certainly can then there's no reason it can't send out a focused beam of microwave radiation, this would give it the ability to make use of radar as well as sonar.

Here are some useful links, the first two deal with the sonic as seen on screen and the third delves more into the sudo-science.

http://nzdwfc.tetrap.com/archive/tsv31/sonicscrewdriver.html

http://planetgallifrey.blogspot.com/2007/06/sonic-screwdriver.html

http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~abr/drwho/tardis/type40/node58.html
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Teletran

Feb 27, 2008, 08:35 am #18 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:55 pm by scarfwearer
By the way can we be sure that the device seen in inferno was actually the sonic screwdriver?
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Rassilons Rod

Feb 27, 2008, 08:52 am #19 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:55 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: teletran board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204101344By the way can we be sure that the device seen in inferno was actually the sonic screwdriver?


I think its not :)
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
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purpleblancmange

Feb 27, 2008, 09:05 am #20 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
The thing that most amazed me is that there is really such a thing as a sonic screwdriver.  When the series came back, there was an article that I read about the science of WHO and how close it is to real world things... one of them happened to be a sonic screwdriver.

From what I remember, the business end is kind of small, but it's connected up to a massive generator, so you'd hardly be able to carry it around, Doctor stylee.

I have a feeling that there was a web based version of the magazine, but I'd have to check it out.

Teletran

Feb 27, 2008, 01:26 pm #21 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: teletran board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204100903While I'm sure that sound waves can be used to induce vibration and even movement I less clear on how it can generate torque.


Quote from: purpleblancmange board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1204103135The thing that most amazed me is that there is really such a thing as a sonic screwdriver.


I'd be most interested in any further details you can dredge up. By the way are you feeling better? I seem to recall that you were under the weather.
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handofomega

Mar 04, 2008, 08:01 pm #22 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: teletran board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1203827400Has anyone ever considered making a version of the new sonic screwdriver that includes some of the features not included in the final prop?


Well I would also put in a blue LED where that strip down the barrel is on the toy.  Have it glowing all the time.  Maybe have some sort of way to control the light coming from it to indicate power levels???

Teletran

Mar 10, 2008, 07:57 am #23 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
I looked up the sonic screwdriver in Paul Parsons "The Science of Doctor Who" and it seems to suggest that such a thing is possible although it would require an inordinate amount of power, it also states that sonic waves can be used to generate heat so a purely sonic zippo lighter isn't out of the question after all.

How would it be if we posted any plans or pictures of how the sonic screwdriver changed over the years?
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purpleblancmange

Mar 10, 2008, 08:27 am #24 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
If you want to post pictures, go ahead.

Thinking about how many versions of the prop that there were, there were only four.

1/  Troughton's flashlight prop.
2/  The Pertwee to Davison type.  There was only ever ONE of these, though it did undergo repairs over the years, but it was basically the same prop.
3/  The McGann prop - a variation on the above.
4/  The New Series type.  This has changed a bit in the surface detail, but over all, it looks the same.

Rassilons Rod

Mar 10, 2008, 09:48 am #25 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
1) I wonder what happened to the Pertwee-Davison prop...
2) Didn't it have the capapbility of changing heads in the Pertwee days? (no worzel gummage pun intended ;))

-Marc
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

purpleblancmange

Mar 10, 2008, 10:12 am #26 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:56 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: rassilonsrod board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=12051425311) I wonder what happened to the Pertwee-Davison prop...
2) Didn't it have the capapbility of changing heads in the Pertwee days? (no worzel gummage pun intended ;))

-Marc


Well I can answer this too, if you like.  20 plus years of delving into and researching key props from the show being a bit of a hobby of mine...  ;)

The prop was stolen from JNT's office in the early 1990s and yes, it did have the ability to change heads - but only by virtue of the design; the head screwed on and off.  This was utilised a couple of times during the Pertwee to early Baker era, but was soon dropped.

Although the prop was originally a Thunderbirds prop, it appeared in Doctor Who in the first Peldon story as a hypnosis device with a spinning mirror head.  The very next story, The Sea Devils, it appeared as the Sonic Screwdriver (with the ringed head, minus the bullet) and remained as the Sonic from there onwards.

Rassilons Rod

Mar 10, 2008, 01:04 pm #27 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:57 pm by scarfwearer
Now I'm picturing a "usual suspects" type diagram, like that one for the TARDIS models, but for the Sonic...

I quite liked the stripey design it had on the top part during the Sea Devils :)
http://chronovore.org/modules/gallery/index.php?g2_itemId=135797

-Marc



edit: fixed dodgy link code...
In the cities in the streets there's a tension you can feel,
The breaking strain is fast approaching, guns and riots.
Politicians gamble and lie to save their skins,
And the press get fed the scapegoats,
Public Enema Number One.

Teletran

Feb 24, 2008, 09:16 am #28 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 02:00 pm by Scarfwearer
The original design had some additional functions like a kick stand and an adjustable head, these ideas were eventually dropped.

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These pictures (above) are from pages 70 and 71 of doctor who the inside story from which I designed my 3d model (below).
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some more pictures can be found on purple's website:http://www.purpleblancmange.co.uk/12.html
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exilea

Mar 10, 2008, 03:50 pm #29 Last Edit: Feb 10, 2010, 01:59 pm by scarfwearer
Quote from: purpleblancmange board=dalek thread=1203827400 post=1205143920

Although the prop was originally a Thunderbirds prop, it appeared in Doctor Who in the first Peldon story as a hypnosis device with a spinning mirror head.  The very next story, The Sea Devils, it appeared as the Sonic Screwdriver (with the ringed head, minus the bullet) and remained as the Sonic from there onwards.


I just finished watching the Peladon story actually! Are you referring to the handle? Couldn't quite get a good look at it, but the rest of it looked like just a small gooseneck light with a spinner at the top.
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